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Says a Christian tour guide from this group: “We’re trained to think like evolutionists. We need to think like Creationists.”
BC Tours’ guides say evolution is a religion.
They ignore the exhibit on radiometric dating because they “don’t have time” to cover everything.
They say the museum doesn’t use good science and then support their own claims by stating, “The Bible says so.”
Highlight of the video is at the 7:26 mark.
Watch and cry:
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Oh, the irony. “Evolution is a fairy tale, not science.”, “evolution is circular reasoning”, “evolution is a religion”. Wow. Too bad, if one person there had read “Your Inner Fish”, they could have educated that idiot on how teeth were formed. Best part of the video, “Well, there are some problems for creationists.” You think?
This depresses me. How completely ridiculous can creationists possibly get? “Lord, let us think ‘creationally.’” I love when Christians make up words…
sad sad sad
Wow, that’s staggering - its a good job the museum hadn’t installed any irony detectors or they might have exploded.
“I come here for facts, not somebody’s fantasy”
“Its called circular logic”
“Its a good fairy tale”
Amazing.
The scary thing is that it sort of mirrors a parody video I made last year where I go to a museum and pretend to be a creationist… http://jamesomalley.co.uk/blog/?p=692
I really hope these guys aren’t profiting from this nonsense.
“How do we know?” - what a wonderful statement. They don’t know that their Bible isn’t a practical joke, written many years ago to separate out the fools?
This YouTube user has a great series of videos taking apart creationist claims:
http://youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t
There are 21 parts so far. I liked this one (but they are all good):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lmUGJ3Jh7fc
Another highlight around 2:30 when the BC guys talk about their belief that people lived 8-900 years, and are asked how many generations that lasted. Seven, they say, and the math is done. Nice to see MSM calling people on this kind of nonsense for a change.
I felt bad for the kid at the beginning who said science is his favorite subject. I hope he and some of the others will overcome their brainwashing like the curator did.
My boyfriend was once that kid from early in the video, except his mom told him that dinosaurs weren’t in the Bible and the fossils were put there by Satan to confuse us. He thought about it…dinosaurs v. Jesus…and he chose the dinosaurs.
Agreed, PrimeNumbers, I wonder if he is so eager to have the kids chant “How do we know?” when he’s telling them bible myths?
Good on ABC for doing this story and presenting it so well, IMO.
Gah.
Let me be frank here. I’m a Christ follower, and I believe in creation. Not creation-ism, but creation. I absolutely believe that in creation, there is plenty of room for evolution. How much? I don’t know. I probably won’t ever know, and I’m ok with that. I find it interesting to study though.
I mean, come on, if they take it so literally, I wonder this: in the days of creation, the sun and moon weren’t made until the 4th day. so how were the first 3 days literal 24 hour days, if the objects that make the 24 hour clock not created yet?
Anyone else reminded of the “See No Evil, Hear No Evil” monkeys? Of course, you can’t add “Speak No Evil” in this case, since what this is really about is sabotaging kids’ ability to think critically.
I liked at 5:01 where he says “Fossils are usually quite boring because they’re piles of dead things.” That about says it all. In other words, they give the tour not because they enjoy the subject (or even know anything about it) but because they want to reinforce a twisted worldview while kids are still unequipped to combat it. Personally, I didn’t get anything nearly this aggressive, but I was raised in a literalist environment, and it took me nearly thirty years to overcome it.
Oh, and at the beginning when he asks what “BC Tours” stands for, anyone else want to yell out things involving male bovine bodily functions?
Oh no! That’s my museum!
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Truly depressing. I wonder where they get their information, because this all sounds an awful lot like the bs that fills my copy of Answers in Genesis’ museum guide. Actually, that guide tells kids to (in a polite manner) heckle their tour guide. The guide even says that creationists should use museums to spread their lies. Being th avid museum goer that I am, I do the best i can to not vomit in disgust.
I mean, come on, if they take it so literally, I wonder this: in the days of creation, the sun and moon weren’t made until the 4th day. so how were the first 3 days literal 24 hour days, if the objects that make the 24 hour clock not created yet?
Not to mention the two contradictory accounts in Genesis, with different order of creation.
Okay, that’s sad enough. But what about the parallel scenario of taking a group to the Creation Museum and explaining exactly why every bit of their ’science’ is in fact wrong? It’s not something I’d bother doing, but I could see an argument for why doing so might be a beneficial thing. The problem I see isn’t with going to a museum and pointing out what’s wrong; rather, it’s using horrendous logic to force-fit the facts. As Ingersoll is attributed to have said (although I’ve never found the primary source), “Creationists use facts the same way a drunk uses a lightpost: for support instead of illumination.”
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The museum director saves the entire video at the 7:26 mark. That’s great.
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@Meg: Actually the part of the video where they do that math is completely wrong. Generation (the age people have kids at) is different than lifespan (the age when people die).
(And this is why science prevails. Because I, one person, can notice an error, point it out, and explain myself. Everybody else can then retrace my reasoning (if it makes sense) and go ‘oh, good point!’ and make it into the new accepted truth)
I feel such sympathy for those children, not just because I think they’re being taught something I strongly disagree with, but particularly because they’re being taught to never question their own beliefs, never challenge themselves, and are being encouraged to have closed-minds. This can happen no matter what you believe (or disbelieve) and children especially need these skills! Instead, they’re being taught to put aside their ability to reason, question and explore, which is a great tragedy.
Eeewwww! I hadn’t realized this was in Colorado. Sigh.
Hard to believe now, but I dreamed of living in America when I was a kid! Amazing how you guys manage to live with all the insanity going on around you on so many levels.
Very best wishes from Germany and please vote for someone at least semi-intelligent this time around . . .
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oh, how it made me laugh. Those 5 seconds of a kid talking just shows how poorly these tours explain the thought of evolution. The kid said that she doesn’t believe that humans evolved from an asteroid… well, neither do I and I beleive in evolution! It shows how poorly these kids are taught about evolution, even though people who belive in evolution have a pretty good idea about creationism. Once your mind belive’s in something without facts, the only information he justifies are the facts that support their belief.
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So, if T-Rex’s teeth were designed for eating greens, why do herbivorers have dull teeth, and why do carnivores have sharp, cutting teeth?
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Wow. As an evolutionist and yet perfectly orthodox Christian, this makes me sad. Any Bible 101 course at a reasonably liberal Christian college will tell you that the Biblical authors never intended their works to be taken as science. Certainly there are some literal accounts in the old testament, such as the histories of the Israelites and such, but the Genesis account? Come on! It even contradicts itself if you’re trying to interpret it literally, instead of as a cosmology (which it is). You have to take genre and historical context into account when interpreting Scriptures, or else you won’t be learning what the author was trying to say, you’ll just be injecting your own prejudices into the text. I guess that’s the whole foundation for the “Christian” Right’s perversion of real Christianity.
Any “christian” who tries to tell you that the Bible and “Macroevolution” are incompatible is a fool.
Try reading “Biology through the eyes of faith” for some interesting discussion.
p.s. sorry for my shit-awful writing skills. hopefully I made sense anyway.
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To be fair, they did the math wrong when talking about the generations between Adam and Noah. According to the bible, they lived for nearly 1000 years, but they had kids at about 100. The dates put the flood about 1500 years after creation.
Still being fair, the creationists there were completely full of BS. Any science 101 course would answer most questions. (Although many questions have much more complicated answers. i.e. pointing at everything and saying HOW COULD THIS HAVE EVOLVED? and not even trying to look for an answer)
Tragic. You can see how uncomfortable the two guys look when asked about things that their own beliefs dont explain ( and that in fact contradict them directly ), like radiocarbon dating. Do they know deep down that they are lying, or are they just so good at ignoring the inexplicable that in their own minds everything is clear, consistent and non-contradictory?
Thats the thing with scientific theory and reasoning, it explains everything. You cant just pick some things that disprove your theory and chose to ignore them. Thats not science, its fraud.
Isn’t it sad that whole generations of new people suffer through this de-education and falsehood? I blame the parents, its one thing to mislead and deceive children, its another thing entirely for what should be rational, intelligent and mature adults to be so intellect-deprived that this farce seems more real to them than the evidence of their own senses and experiences.
Child abuse
How do you know god exists? The bible tells us!
How do you know what the bible says is true? God tells us!
What do we call that kids?
Circular reasoning!
What is up with the videos math? Generations overlap, not come straight after one another. Idiots.
I’d love to see a real science class go to the creationist museum and think “scientifically”.
As a theist, I am deeply saddened by this huge ignorance of science and brainwashing of children. And yes, I mean theist.
Great example of one of the most disturbing reasons why the USA is slipping. People used to think: the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth too and its shocking that some still think that the universe is 6000-10000 years old, and that life doesnt change over time, etc. We are still living in an age of mythology, just like the Greeks and all their gods.
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.”
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“think” like creationists?
What a pack of fucking morons.
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Hi, this whole thing about people starting to push creationism in the US is pretty strange. I really wonder what kind of adults these children are going to become. The education system seems to be seriously broken in the states. The worst thing is that these people leading the tour don’t seem like they’re being intellectually dishonest on purpose. On a related subject of faith vs. facts, I recommend the follwing link: http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-869183917758574879
(see at 8:25 if you don’t have time to watch the whole thing)
These kinds of videos are a whole bunch of stupid on display.
Wow, that sure was painful to watch
Poor children.
Glad I didn’t get sucked in!
Horrible video, & really crappy report on the video too.
C’mon pointing out that 7 generations equal 5600 years?
That was clearly this reporter’s strongest point illustrated here.
Is that what evolutionists interpret from that? Haha!!!
Who waits to have children when theyre 700 years old?
They state here they lived more than 800 yrs, not had their 1st kids right before they died! I think any kid could help that reporter figure the math on that one.
It would be reasonable to think, like today, birthing children could come as early as 12-25 yrs & later. So seven generations wouldnt have needed 5600 years. Lol, There are no birth certificates to refer to. But whatever…The Bible doesnt try to depict a timeline from the creation, and that is surely not the point of the Bible anyway. We’d be much better to plan how we can raise our kids to be better people rather than to argue over something we will NEVER have the answer for.
I see the point of the tour videoed here, to counter what mainstream science, TV, and secular schools teach children about the “evolution of the world”, that teach unfounded “scientific” theory. So, in fact, I see them to be teaching here, for children to think for themselves and not to blindingly accept the “truths”(lies) the world offers on a daily basis. This tour wouldnt be my approach to it, but the media always needs someone to pick on.
This video is a sad journalist’s poor attempt at anti-creationist propaganda.
He should go back to reporting soap opera casting changes and jerry springer episode highlights at the caliber displayed here.
Wow… I can’t even be polite about this kind of child abuse. I hope those BC people are eaten by ravenous lizards in a sparsely attended zoo exhibit. I also feel sorry for the zoo workers who find their bones, they will be bored to tears.
Watch and cry indeed.
Believe me folks, I’m from Asia, and great thinking like that happens even here. And mind you, they just go “Because its stated/said/in the bible” and think that to be the clincher of all arguments.
Amazing isn’t it?
River of Karma
jacques said,
Unfortunately, it’s not just the US. There’s an islamic version that is so prevalent in Turkey that it has pretty much driven out any real science in the schools. This movement was originally promoted and funded by US creationists, but it’s now taken on a life of its own. So if the rest of the world thinks it’s safe, it’s a bit too soon to be letting your guard down. It’s not just American christians that can be morons, people of other faiths or in other countries can be just as half-witted.
I’d love to walk up while he’s denouncing most of the evidence against creationism in the museum as “fairy tales” and “artwork” and yell “HOW DO YOU KNOW”!
This is like hiring a pedophile to operate an ice-cream truck.
Perhaps the bible is wrong, but god still exists. Think about it, maybe the bible is a misrepresentation of the truth. I just don’t know how atheists can live not knowing where they come from. I’m definitely not saying that evolution didn’t occur. There is overwhelming evidence that it did, but tell me, who started evolution? Who kicked it off by creating amoebas, and then microorganisms? Did it just magically appear? Isn’t it obvious that there’s a higher power?
By the way, you all sound like fucking scientologists, “what child abuse”, “I hope they get eaten by lizards”
What the fuck? How could you ridicule people for believing in something somewhat far-fetched, when you believe we came from fucking amoebas?
As cold-hearted as it may sound, this is a kind of “natural selection” happening right in front of us. Evolution is driven by time and death. It is not a nice process. Organisms that adapt to to their changing environment have an advantage over those that do not adapt and they will be more likely to reproduce. The disadvantaged strains eventually perish. The kids who buy into the BC willful ignorance will be disadvantaged growing up in a world that is increasingly dependent on a constant supply of good, solid science. People who have a firm grasp of how science works and who can apply critical thinking to their life situations will have an advantage over them. These kids will not be able to compete for the best positions and niches in society and will be relegated to an underclass doing menial tasks. They are the offspring of a maladaptive strain in intellectual rather than genetic terms. In a few more generations either they or their world view will go extinct. Is it “fair” to them from the point of view of a society that wants to give opportunities to all? No, it’s not fair. Is it sad to watch? Yes, it is sad. Is it the way things change on planet Earth? ‘Fraid so.
So if it’s alright for them to go into a museum and teach (brainwash) those kids that the science of evolution is a myth… then would it be alright for the museum owner to take a class full of kids from a public school and bring them to those 2 mens church point out all the stained glass windows showing the steps of jesus death and teach the kids that those are wrong… someones fairy tale.. or to point out the last supper and tell the kids that that never happend because they have no “proof”.. im pretty sure they couldnt do that.. i dunno.. i think that more pisses me off than anything.. i would love to meet those two douche bags just once… just to debate with them
@richard wade,
I think you’re being too generous with evolution… if anything I would suggest (without concrete statistics) that creationist families are larger than non creationist families and point out that lack of scientific rigour didn’t hinder bush getting where he did. This implies that perhaps non creationists will one day become extinct? My only question now is… if a tree falls in a forest…
It is somewhat ironic that Nightline made a stupid mistake as well when ‘doing the math’ for generations of 800 year old people. (they simply multiply 800 times 7) in this story about young earth creationists and their fallacious views.
The kind that are going to easily be ripped apart by simple logic.. No, really, if I had the option I’d go on one of these tours and make snide comments at the back. People are welcome to believe whatever they want, as long as they are also given a chance to doubt what they are told.. these kids really aren’t.
Just my $0.02
I am catholic, I somewhat believe in my faith. This is a mockery of how the world was created. The bald guy calls bad science something that doesn’t follow the bible, what does he call something that doesn’t follow what he says? What a douche, find me dinosaur remains along with human remains then maybe I will listen to another. How narrow minded is he, honestly?.. Is he at all literate? It doesn’t seem so, all he reads is the bible. There is an immense amount of information regarding radiometric dating techniques , how can he say anything wrong about it by not doing much research? His argument states that radiometric dating is based on certain assumptions, isn’t he making assumptions too? He is assuming that everything written in the bible is true while everything not written in it is false.
Is that not circular logic itself? Show me the bible is the ultimate source of our creation. Here is something to think about. Does the Bible not say in Exodus 20:2-17 “3.Do not have any other gods before me.” Lets say I was thinking like a creationist, then presently people who believe in Judaism, Buddism or any other religion aside from Christianity cannot possible exist. Am I right? Still thinking like a creationist, there is no way these people could of been created because they believed in a different God. So are they all just imaginary people that Christians think of? If Jesus is our only creator of everything in this world, how do we get the existence of other religions? How can people from other religions possible be alive right now? Fuck you Creationists, you dumb assholes.
I know that radiometric dating is not 100%, but I believe it more then creationism. I remember once, I had a very intelligent physics teacher in highschool, and he told us that one of his colleagues took a regular rock, broke it up into a few pieces and sent each piece to a different place that does radiometric dating.
The results were all over the place. Each piece was dated at different years. Years that weren’t even close to each other. What I am saying is no matter how much we try and explain where we came from the more lost we become. Maybe it just isn’t something we should ever know? I really dislike this guy, he is literally cramming his views down the children’s throats. How American is that? This reminds me of Jesus camp.. How wrong this is.
Again I have listened to enough of this creationism bs. I don’t want to hear any more.
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If they didn’t come to a museum for facts, not a fantasy, why don’t they go to a Church? This is brainwashing at it’s best; Creationism is the fantasy of the world, the theory of Evolution isn’t. I’m afraid these children are going to grow up into a world with such moronic adults around them preventing them from thinking on their own, even when the man asked them yes or no questions a fair few of them gave the “wrong” answer and the men made sure they repeated their incorrect views over and over again.
They are not trained to think like evolutionists, most people these days are trained to make their own opinions. B.C does NOT stand for biblically correct tours, it stands for Bloody Creationism Tours in a god damn museum.
If these people want to experience fantasy and science fiction, maybe they should spend more time at home reading bibles.
Don’t those two guys seem gay? I bet they’re gay.
I used to take shelter from the elements in museums when i was a homeless rodeo clown but not anymore. Now I am a world class magician !
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How can this be legal? How can it be legal to manipulate children in such a young age? Just to make it clear, I respect people who believe in God, Allah or what they chose to believe in. I have nothing against that. The issue here is that people don’t get a chance to create their own picture of the world. These children a brought up with the Bible at home, at school and now from a museum. Museums are supposed to be independantm in their views. Therefore it should not be allowed to have a tour, which only reason is to brainwash children into believing something without giving them a chance to think otherwise.
Very sad indeed.
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These kids are being set up to be sold the Brooklyn bridge.
Really, its in the bible. You should buy it. God wants you to buy this bridge.
hayden said,
Maybe. But the whole world used to be creationist before, and people still figured out how life evolved. Even if all the books are burned, it will be harder to destroy all the fossils. Assuming the loss of all scientific knowledge, the next Darwin will probably be Chinese though.
Please don’t think that this represents the whole of the Christian Church. There are many Christians that see the literal 6-day creation as an attempt to refute something they have not taken the time to understand. The difference between Micro and Macro evolution, for example.
“God is dead. He has been killed by his pity for us.”
Take account of the gifts that a humanity has today, reason, science, honest discourse. When I see something like this I cannot grasp how so-called religious people just cast off the greatest gifts of the God they profess to believe in has bestowed upon them by choosing to lie (to children) about the world that He apparently created.
If you were Jesus/God or any deity wouldn’t you be overcome with disappointment and piteous shame that your zealots choose to distort your wondrous world to this degree? Didn’t lies make baby Jesus cry?
Hail the flying spaghetti monster,
Nick out.
To Fresh Pine Scent
Perhaps the bible is wrong, but god still exists.
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There is no evidence that God had ever existed. The world makes perfect sense without a God, or the over 3400 Gods man has invented.
Think about it, maybe the bible is a misrepresentation of the truth. I just don’t know how atheists can live not knowing where they come from. I’m definitely not saying that evolution didn’t occur. There is overwhelming evidence that it did, but tell me, who started evolution? Who kicked it off by creating amoebas, and then microorganisms? Did it just magically appear?
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There are many theories as to how life could start that don’t include God. I suggest you go to Youtube and do a Potholer54 search. He’ll set you straight.
Isn’t it obvious that there’s a higher power?
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No, and you have the same problem you say we have, because you’ll have to come up with who created the higher power, and where did he/she/it get the material that made up the universe and started life.
By the way, you all sound like fucking scientologists, “what child abuse”, “I hope they get eaten by lizards”
What the fuck? How could you ridicule people for believing in something somewhat far-fetched, when you believe we came from fucking amoebas?
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You already acknowledge you accept the overwhelming evidence for evolution, now you are saying it is far fetched. It is child abuse to teach children proven lies. It is called brainwashing. It isn’t like religion teaches tolerance, especially Fundy Christianity.
FreshPineSent said,
Maybe, maybe not.
There are a lot of things I don’t know. Why should that depress me? Do you have to know the answers to everything? Sure I’d like to know. But how do we go about getting the answers to our questions? Any question can be answered with “God did it”, and I don’t find that answer very interesting or satisfying.
Nobody knows. There are scientific hypothesis about the first molecular replicators. It’s a work in progress. What would you do? How would you investigate this problem?
No. Because then the question becomes, “what is the origin of that higher power?” Maybe a “god” did jump start life here, but where did that being come from? No matter what happened, again I ask you, how do you go about finding out what happened?
All of us?
Actually I think amoebas reproduce asexually so they don’t do much fucking.
Wow, the tone of your comment took a sudden 180 degree turn. Did someone else start typing at your computer? What happened to the reasonable sounding person “perhaps the Bible is wrong” etc. in the first few paragraphs.
Personally I don’t ridicule those people, I just feel sorry for them.
You’re right evolution is pretty far fetched, but you know what, the whole universe is far fetched. But all these crazy far fetched scientific theories have a whole lot of crazy evidence supporting them. So on a scale of far-fetchedness the literal story of creation in Genesis is still a billion times more far fetched than evolution, because it has no evidence. Just a book.
Of course evolution sounds silly if you just describe it as “we came from amoebas”. But you can make anything sound silly. Oh yeah, babies come from a little tadpole swimming to an egg in mommies tummy. Absurd! Oh sure, the Earth is a ball of rock just floating in space with nothing holding it up. Crazy! Right, solid matter is made of tiny little balls that are mostly empty space. Sure! Disease is caused by little invisible animals called “germs”. Maybe it’s your opinion that these germs are real, but I believe demons cause disease and they are just as invisible so we are both believing it on faith.
And all those crazy ideas have been shown to be true because of scientific research and irrefutable evidence. Evolution is no different, except for the fact that it has been the target of a century long marketing campaign by religious organizations.
I’m not sure if these kids are being abused, but if a child was kept isolated and never taught language that would be called abuse. At what point is the withholding of knowledge from a child considered abuse? If a child is raised in the middle east and taught that America is the great Satan, and the greatest goal in life is to die for Islam, is that abuse? Is teaching a child that blood transfusions are evil and they should never take medicine abuse?
Personally I don’t know how to classify what is and isn’t abuse. But it definitely seems wrong to lie to children. And these men are definitely lying. I think in their system of morality, they are breaking one of their ten commandments.
Ok..first of all, the ignorance from the Christians is astounding (I’m a Christian–but I don’t think that means I can’t believe in Evolution–or in an earth that’s billions of years old).
But I love the math of the reporter: 800 x 7 = 5600. Yes, you’re right, but that means that each person who lived 800 years had their offspring in their last year of life. What if they had kids when they were 20? 30? 40? or even 100?
Uggh. The bullshit abounds from both sides (admittedly, much more from “my” side)
Did anyone notice that these goons have Jesus creating the Heavens and the earth?
Not God….Jesus! Jeebus
Yes.
Yes
Deliberately telling blatant lies to a child, and exploiting the curious, trusting and innocent nature of a child to spread creationist crap is a form of mental child abuse.
What is written in the book of genesis and other parts of the bible I believe are merely a representation of what happened. I have two explinations as to why is is written like such. There were thousands of years between this happening and it being written down, and people back then couldn’t comprehend evolution so they made their own story.
I am catholic and this is just rediculous.
A majority of them will be just like their parents - ignorant, naive, trusting and very, very confused. They will have a massive persecution complex because they will have to believe that all the scientists in the world (except their chosen few) are part of a Satanic/atheist conspiracy to deny god. They will have all kinds of nonsense in their heads that they try hard never to examine closely, but just hold onto as part of their “faith.”
However, some of them will learn different things over the years. They’ll start investigating and exploring on their own. Eventually, they will come to realize that they’ve been massively lied to by willfully ignorant people, including their parents and Sunday school teachers. And a lot of them will be really angry for a long time.
fkn hilarious.
one point thou.
7 generations of people who live about 800 years doesn’t necessary equal ~5600 years.
It depends on at which point of their live they would be able to have descendants.
hahahahahahahahahaha, ” the dinosaurs are a work of art” hahahahahahahahahaha, god people like these should be spade and neutered. and banded from speaking.
Respectfully, I support what these guys are doing. All responsible parents teach their children what they understand to be true. We don’t tell our children that 2+2 is whatever they are led to believe. Since no one alive today was alive during the time of the dinosaurs, we all must draw conclusions based on reasonable evidence. There is substantial evidence for a literal Creation. The kids in the video were very young, therefore the information covered looked to be targeted toward their age. As to why dinosaur fossils are not found with human remains, the human population was likely quite small, especially compared to the number of animals. Also, to form a fossil, the carcass would have to be covered quickly by mud, etc. Light human bodies tend to float (global Flood). Regarding, vegetarian dinosaurs with sharp teeth, consider the hippopotamus, or the bear. Dinosaurs likely changed their diet over time. Evolution is unquestionably true as it applies to change over time (adaptation), not as it applies to the origins of life. The Bible addresses the origins of life on Earth, not the timing around when the Earth itself was created. It is possible that the Earth structure has been in existence for millions of years, but life on Earth is relatively short.
some people are stupid because they don’t have access to information. others like these ones are worse for being fundamental idiots. the worst thing is they actually teach kids who are easy to influence.
“Banded”?
Any mirrors?
It is frustrating to me to see the argument presented as diametrically opposed; you’re either a materialistic atheist and we evolved from primordial soup through the ape to current, or that the world is 6k years old and made by a dude named Jesus.
Both are scientifically unsound, and ignore significant amount data and evidence. At best our current lineage model of evolution (as its pushed by the majority of scientists, it seems), is a 3% fit. Now, this is a better fit than any other model presented, and it does seem to be a logical option. However we are indeed making a leap of faith in trusting our entire scientific paradigm on a 3% fit.
An unsettling trend that seems to be popular now is that “creationism” is necessarily tied with the fantasy of the 5-6,000 year old Earth. There is absolutely no evidence of this (the 3% fit of the “oppositional” model seems like divine light in comparison to this belief), either in material science or in the Bible. This seems to be not even a leap of faith, just plain blind laziness.
Evolution itself is an absolute fact, it has been proven, and even demonstrated several times, as has devolution and atrophy. But the idea we’ve evolved via mutation/adaption from primordial soup and into apes and then humans is a rather large assumption to be pushing as “fact.” In fact, most, if not all of what we deem mutation that we experience in the natural world is completely deleterious to the organism if not the entire species. Evolution is fact - but there are more models than just the 3% fit.
What science in general seems to forget is that it is the pursuit of “facts”, spirituality is the search for “truth.” I’d ask you to really think about that one for a bit; what is fact versus truth. It is a fact that you have a father - that is a necessary requisite to explain yourself. This is provable by empirical data. The spiritual steps in with the question: “did you love him?” And if you did, “Prove it.” (A great metaphorical application of this intersection of truth/fact from the film/story “Contact”)
I would very much like to see a paradigmatic shift in the direction of cooperation. Science can take care of the physically observable universe, and spirituality can take care of our personal relationship to it. Both can feed into each other, and keep the other in check.
By the by, if you’d like to poke holes in my views feel free at my blog site
iotus.blogspot.com
That was unreal, in my eyes it was child abuse. I almost passed out when the children started stating “their” views at the end. I am so glad as a child I had a mind of MY own and thought through the differences of Religion and Science.
Yeeeaaaah. Why are these nutcases allowed to do this exactly? They should be banned from speaking in museums.
These are the people that think its insane to think we come from primates, but believe its perfectly reasonable to think we were made by the big magic sky daddy out of dirt. At least monkeys have a circulatory system!
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All this from the most powerful nation of our time , scary stuff…
This is sad… First I would like to say that I happen to be a Catholic, and I attend a Catholic School but i am also a “rationalist”. Their views are entirely untrue. My school teaches evolution, and through my own interpretations of the bible I understand that science and religion ‘can’ work hand in hand. Although I do believe in God I would never ignore scientific evidence and I would like to state that regarding the Catholic branch of Christianity, we fully embrace the advances and discovery’s of science and the long span of our Earths history
Also , seeing that the majority of posts here are athiests i would just like to say that my choice to believe in God is not a blind one, and that (just as you choose not to believe because of very logical reasons) I choose to believe in him for logical and well researched reasons. Just trying to state here that not all catholic people are ignorant.
Again, I’m not looking to argue with anyone because I’m sure I share virtually the same beliefs as anybody here, I’m just making sure ppl don’t think that all Christians are like those ppl.
Oh this type of crap irks me to no end. In the face of evidence these idiots will hold up their Bible as their belief system.
I wonder, the woman who said she believes in what the Bible says would be so keen to sell her spawn into slavery.
I like the fact that on a post discussing how ridiculous BC tours are, commentators like Tom are around to make ridiculous statements that sound like they would be made on a BC tour.
Seriously? The only reason why we know that the earth is billions of years old is through radiometric dating, and we have fossils that are also billions of years old, so…I don’t know how a person could say that the earth is drastically older than life on earth, unless they are just spewing crap out of their mouth.
Anyway, as a person that works on critters millions of years old, this entire video was amusing to the max. The strange thing is that everyone involved in the BC tour gave questions that can be answered by either asking someone who’s done the research, or going to the library, or, hell, reading wikipedia.
And, as other commentators have pointed out, the irony in asking science “How do you know?” is that scientists can usually tell you how they know something, more than philosophers, theologists, politicians, economists…
THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF BULL, so they think that by brain washing the young could make some difference!!! INTERNET IS OUT AND IT WILL REACH YOUR CHILDREN!! EVOLUTION IS BEAUTIFUL!! and EVERYTHING AROUND IT!!! SCIENCE IS REAL AND LIFE IS NATURAL!! quit believing a book and follow your gut!
To quote the modern day *!REAL!* philosopher B.A - ‘I pity the fool(s)’.
Ah, but there are several different lines of evidence which give this figure.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
Heck, even the spin down rate of pulsars gives an age which is consistent with our understanding of the age of the universe.
I don’t understand what people mean by “truth”. Does one mean an absolute truth of some kind? Does it even make sense to know something as a “truth”, if you can’t experimentally test its accuracy using science?
For me, “truth” means knowing something within certain bounds of uncertainty imposed by nature, which can be objectively verified by repeated experiments.
So, while it might help some people, one doesn’t necessarily need any sense of spirituality to take care of personal relationships. I do absolutely fine without it.