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	<title>Comments on: Who Are the &#8220;New Atheists&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Strong</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/07/18/who-are-the-new-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-332252</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think New Atheist is meaningful precisely because the term is already coined.  I wouldn&#039;t call it a perfect term where the words New and Atheist slam together meaningfully.   But we sort of understand it to be the atheists around the time of the publishing of the God Delusion, Breaking the Spell, Letters to a Christian Nation, and God is not Great.  Do you remember the &quot;New Deal&quot; in History class?  It&#039;s just as meaningful.  Atheism isn&#039;t new and the arguments aren&#039;t either, but if we&#039;re going to get free advertisement, we may as well use it.

I think atheists have a lot of work cut out for them anyway.  Theists don&#039;t seem to get how atheists work.  Atheism doesn&#039;t have an intrinsic moral code and all that, although Humanism is a popular choice.  

Just as Christians each like to point out how their church is different and distinguish themselves, I think the label New Atheist allows us to possibly unite terms everyone favors in different ways: agnostic, skeptic, deists, and free thinkers while preserving the lower case descriptors.

You&#039;ll probably notice deists are not atheists, but I would consider a deist to be an atheist of a very classical type who probably has a very religious minded family and cares about their feelings.  Suffice to say, I never pass a church of deism.  So I tend to think those types are a lot like me and I&#039;m an atheist type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think New Atheist is meaningful precisely because the term is already coined.  I wouldn&#8217;t call it a perfect term where the words New and Atheist slam together meaningfully.   But we sort of understand it to be the atheists around the time of the publishing of the God Delusion, Breaking the Spell, Letters to a Christian Nation, and God is not Great.  Do you remember the &#8220;New Deal&#8221; in History class?  It&#8217;s just as meaningful.  Atheism isn&#8217;t new and the arguments aren&#8217;t either, but if we&#8217;re going to get free advertisement, we may as well use it.</p>
<p>I think atheists have a lot of work cut out for them anyway.  Theists don&#8217;t seem to get how atheists work.  Atheism doesn&#8217;t have an intrinsic moral code and all that, although Humanism is a popular choice.  </p>
<p>Just as Christians each like to point out how their church is different and distinguish themselves, I think the label New Atheist allows us to possibly unite terms everyone favors in different ways: agnostic, skeptic, deists, and free thinkers while preserving the lower case descriptors.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll probably notice deists are not atheists, but I would consider a deist to be an atheist of a very classical type who probably has a very religious minded family and cares about their feelings.  Suffice to say, I never pass a church of deism.  So I tend to think those types are a lot like me and I&#8217;m an atheist type.</p>
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		<title>By: calladus</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/07/18/who-are-the-new-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-331830</link>
		<dc:creator>calladus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with ihedenius - 

Just what, exactly, is &quot;New&quot; with &quot;New Atheists&quot;?  Ingersoll, Mark Twain, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton - if any of these people started speaking publicly today they would be labeled &quot;New Atheists&quot;.

It&#039;s a meaningless distinction applied to us by the religious in order to trivialize and denigrate our philosophy.

Are we more strident than Stanton?  Do we ridicule religious people more than Twain?  Do we show the foolishness of the Bible more than Ingersoll?  Do we label religion as &quot;superstition&quot; and defeat it with logic more than Bertrand Russell?

When ever I&#039;m confronted with a religious person using the term &quot;New Atheist&quot; I ALWAYS ask them to please give some sort of defining characteristic that would allow me to tell a &quot;New&quot; atheist from an &quot;Old&quot; atheist. 

Religious people always equate &quot;New&quot; atheism with prominent contemporary figures like Dawkins or Harris.  They often know nothing about historic atheists - so how would they even know the difference between old and new?

For the religious, &quot;New Atheist&quot; is a code word that really means, &quot;People who have the audacity to have an opposing opinion about religion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with ihedenius &#8211; </p>
<p>Just what, exactly, is &#8220;New&#8221; with &#8220;New Atheists&#8221;?  Ingersoll, Mark Twain, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton &#8211; if any of these people started speaking publicly today they would be labeled &#8220;New Atheists&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a meaningless distinction applied to us by the religious in order to trivialize and denigrate our philosophy.</p>
<p>Are we more strident than Stanton?  Do we ridicule religious people more than Twain?  Do we show the foolishness of the Bible more than Ingersoll?  Do we label religion as &#8220;superstition&#8221; and defeat it with logic more than Bertrand Russell?</p>
<p>When ever I&#8217;m confronted with a religious person using the term &#8220;New Atheist&#8221; I ALWAYS ask them to please give some sort of defining characteristic that would allow me to tell a &#8220;New&#8221; atheist from an &#8220;Old&#8221; atheist. </p>
<p>Religious people always equate &#8220;New&#8221; atheism with prominent contemporary figures like Dawkins or Harris.  They often know nothing about historic atheists &#8211; so how would they even know the difference between old and new?</p>
<p>For the religious, &#8220;New Atheist&#8221; is a code word that really means, &#8220;People who have the audacity to have an opposing opinion about religion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently got called a &quot;Scientific Extremist&quot; whilst having a discussion about religion.

While trying to think of a better term for &quot;New Athiest&quot;, I came up with &quot;&lt;strong&gt;Nay-theist&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;, which I think is quite clever (I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve seen it anywhere else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently got called a &#8220;Scientific Extremist&#8221; whilst having a discussion about religion.</p>
<p>While trying to think of a better term for &#8220;New Athiest&#8221;, I came up with &#8220;<strong>Nay-theist</strong>&#8220;, which I think is quite clever (I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve seen it anywhere else).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fidalgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fidalgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 01:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New Atheism, I think, recognizes the threat not just of fundamentalist religion, but of the mindset that makes people willfully credulous, that celebrates intentional ignorance. It says that religion (and everything else) ought to be criticized on its merits. I have used different terms to separate &quot;new&quot; and &quot;old&quot; atheism, but my terms are not based on newness or oldness. I have divided atheists into &lt;strong&gt;instigators&lt;/strong&gt; (New Atheists, Hirsi Ali, Myers, etc.) and &lt;strong&gt;policers&lt;/strong&gt; (Newdow, FfRF, etc.). &lt;a href=&quot;http://blocraison.blogspot.com/2008/12/instigators-and-policers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read all about that here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Atheism, I think, recognizes the threat not just of fundamentalist religion, but of the mindset that makes people willfully credulous, that celebrates intentional ignorance. It says that religion (and everything else) ought to be criticized on its merits. I have used different terms to separate &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;old&#8221; atheism, but my terms are not based on newness or oldness. I have divided atheists into <strong>instigators</strong> (New Atheists, Hirsi Ali, Myers, etc.) and <strong>policers</strong> (Newdow, FfRF, etc.). <a href="http://blocraison.blogspot.com/2008/12/instigators-and-policers.html" rel="nofollow">Read all about that here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: ATL-Apostate</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL-Apostate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veritas - man, what an oddball.  You&#039;re like the proverbial white crow no one thought ever existed.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veritas &#8211; man, what an oddball.  You&#8217;re like the proverbial white crow no one thought ever existed.</p>
<p> <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sebeka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebeka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more of a pre-owned atheist than a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more of a pre-owned atheist than a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: AmandaT.</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmandaT.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheists 2: Electric Boogaloo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists 2: Electric Boogaloo.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sarah&#039;s definition is pretty applicable. I don&#039;t think the term &quot;new&quot; here has any actual meaning at all.

I suspect the usage of &quot;new atheist&quot;, particularly by the people (whoever they were) who first started using the term, mainly indicates that the users are self-important and either young or poorly informed. Certain people love to think that they have discovered something new. How often have have you seen the term &quot;new&quot; applied to something which isn&#039;t new at all? If you&#039;re over forty, probably quite often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sarah&#8217;s definition is pretty applicable. I don&#8217;t think the term &#8220;new&#8221; here has any actual meaning at all.</p>
<p>I suspect the usage of &#8220;new atheist&#8221;, particularly by the people (whoever they were) who first started using the term, mainly indicates that the users are self-important and either young or poorly informed. Certain people love to think that they have discovered something new. How often have have you seen the term &#8220;new&#8221; applied to something which isn&#8217;t new at all? If you&#8217;re over forty, probably quite often.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Female &quot;New Atheist&quot; -- I think Ophelia Benson (http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/) would qualify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Female &#8220;New Atheist&#8221; &#8212; I think Ophelia Benson (<a href="http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/</a>) would qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: PrimeNumbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrimeNumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an atheist for quarter of a century. I got there on my own. But then followed up with philosophical works to help me understand my decision more thoroughly. I&#039;m fascinated why people believe. It&#039;s an interesting subject for sure.

There are atheists, and there are theists, and very little else it would seem (ok, probably wrong but...) and recently atheists have found a voice. But not longer do you have to say &quot;I&#039;m agnostic&quot; (if you were brave) or pretend you&#039;re religious when you&#039;re not.

The new atheists are the old atheists, but with the power of the internet and mass communication behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an atheist for quarter of a century. I got there on my own. But then followed up with philosophical works to help me understand my decision more thoroughly. I&#8217;m fascinated why people believe. It&#8217;s an interesting subject for sure.</p>
<p>There are atheists, and there are theists, and very little else it would seem (ok, probably wrong but&#8230;) and recently atheists have found a voice. But not longer do you have to say &#8220;I&#8217;m agnostic&#8221; (if you were brave) or pretend you&#8217;re religious when you&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>The new atheists are the old atheists, but with the power of the internet and mass communication behind them.</p>
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