Comments on: Norma McCorvey: From Pro-Choice to Pro-Life

By: Renee

Renee — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:44:04 +0000

THis is interesting. There seems to be a sort of testimony-giving about deconversion from rather than conversion to faith.

I have not been deconverted. I know God is real and answers my prayers. I know I have seen supernatural things.

I just want to say, be careful about considering people programmed or weakminded because of their faith in God. In this case anyway, programming should have worked in completely the other way given Ms McCorvey’s years of being a pro-choice advocate.

What kind of programming in less than a year overturns a lifetime of previous conviction?

as for “love bombing” – if you read what she has to say at http://www.leaderu.com/norma/nmtestimony.html you will see that a child, presumably unskilled in such techniques, was the person who impacted her the most.

Perhaps they were genuinely loving her. I know it is possible because I do it and have done it. Not because people will be converted, but because God gives me desire and strength to do it and because I want to.

Why believe in love if you don’t believe in God?

By: postsimian

postsimian — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:27:43 +0000

I believe the answer you’re looking for is what they refer to as “love bombing.” Scientology uses it to great effect. You’re probably already aware of the tactic, but if not, do look it up!

By: Victorb

Victorb — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:35:10 +0000

She is a robot, programmed through a multi-pronged brainwash procedure.

By: Ed

Ed — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:39:55 +0000

In the excellent documentary on abortion “Lake of Fire,” Norma says one day after years of speaking to the operation rescue folks, she decided to see for herself if what they were claiming was true (that the office where she worked was killing “real” babies) and she went into the freezer room where the she saw fully formed baby bodies. It was at this point, faced with near full term baby bodies, that she became pro choice.

If you have not seen this documentary I can’t recommend it highly enough (though be warned it is very graphic, showing actual late term abortions as well as crime scene photos of murdered doctors)

The following link is Noam Chomsky and Peter Singer discussing abortion in “lake of Fire”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzY0L2g1f64&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fhl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial%26hs%3Dpzd%26q%3Dlake%2520of%2520fire%2520noam%26um%3D1%26&feature=player_embedded

By: hoverfrog

hoverfrog — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:01:52 +0000

I felt really sorry for her. She’s clearly not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer and has been used by others throughout her life. Even Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee used McCorvey because they wanted to challenge the Texas abortion ban. If was not her own decision. Her life has been far from enjoyable and she seesm to have latched on to anything that gives a sense of meaning to her existence, even when it goes against her own opinions.

By: SarahHToo

SarahHToo — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:52 +0000

My atheism happened rather quickly. After years of tearfully being saved and frantically trying to hang onto the flush of devotion and “Godliness” that always came to me during impassioned church services, and fighting the guilt that came when my feelings inevitably faded, I was sitting in front of my computer one day. The screen was frozen, and I thought vaguely that I’d pray for help, as I was working on something important. Suddenly, it hit me-God was not going to come through the computer screen and change everything. Haven’t looked back since.

By: weaves

weaves — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:40:28 +0000

I think I’ve always had a disbelief in god, from very young. I only became active about it towards the end of school when I became aware of how much it was (passively) affecting my life. No biology/evolution classes in school, gay rights, abortion issues…

as for abortion, I am pro-life for MYSELF, pro-choice for everyone else

By: JJ

JJ — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:06:08 +0000

Well, I’d contend that she did in fact tell us exactly why she changed her views. Being a logical person yourself you are making the (wrong) assumption that some logical argument or debate point changed her but many people value group loyalty over logic.

I’m certain she simply became a member of a different ‘in’ group and adopted their beliefs to fit into it. It is as simple as that IMO. It’s the same reason you can’t ‘win’ an argument with a believer, since logic simply doesn’t matter to them. *shrug*

As for becoming an atheist I am in the ‘always been one’ crowd. I never had religion so never converted.

By: zoo

zoo — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:06:07 +0000

I’d been on the way for maybe 6 years when I had a friend just tell me I’m atheist. I had to figure out what the “what’s wrong with me that I don’t feel like the church people say I should?” meant (atheism was not ever presented as a valid option when it came to religion. . . really anything much different from Southern Baptist doctrine wasn’t a valid option in my family. . . ever. . . so it honestly hadn’t occurred to me what was going on) and feeling insulted about certain things being attacked because just about everyone else I knew was/is so into it (same friend was very venomous, it really was attacks; he may have had valid criticisms behind them, but he was badly hurt by a lot of things in his short life and tended to let that out on me).

It took a few more years for it to really solidify. I’m thinking my biology degree helped quite a bit. And yes I’m surprised I was allowed to take it too . I learned what evolution and evolutionary theory really are and how they really work. I learned a lot about how to approach and evaluate evidence as well.

What really sealed it for me, regarding Christianity particularly, was when I started studying the influence of the cat family on various cultures (that’s a damned big topic, btw, I don’t recommend it if you’re the type that has to know any more than little bits like ‘The Chinese consider the tiger to be king of the beasts’), which involves a lot of exposure to information about indigenous religion and symbolism, and I realized that before the Spanish arrived, the Maya and the Aztecs and the Inca and the countless tribes and civilizations between sincerely believed that they were right, and they had never heard of the Christian god. Somewhere I came across the fact that there are still uncontacted tribes out there even today that haven’t the first idea about Jesus. And what I was always taught was people who don’t accept Jesus go to hell. . . not hearing was not an excuse. Completely unfair to millions of people who had died before they even heard of the guy (and the Spanish weren’t exactly there for missionary purposes either. . .). Though I don’t think it was asked for, to answer that criticism a missionary that visited the church we were attending and told us about the people he was working with, how they cross a bridge when they’re about to die (I don’t recall if it was a literal or metaphorical bridge) and they’re afraid to do it. He said that meant they knew without being told that there’s something unpleasant waiting for them. Because there are no other reasons to not want to/be afraid to die.

By: Alz

Alz — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:53:05 +0000

I watched the movie “The Invasion” a few nights ago on DVD..

My Atheism started early but it took a long time to remove all the shackles of fear of hell, desire for heaven, and superstition of ghosts. The power of delusion still nags at me at times (not for the supernatural anymore). It seems to be a protective mechanism to shield me from the hard truth. I can see how someone put in her situation could give in to delusion to protect herself from all the attention and possible danger that came her way.