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	<title>Comments on: A Revised Ten Commandments for Atheists</title>
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		<title>By: BlogD</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/21/a-revised-ten-commandments-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-321542</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my list:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1. Forgive others their wrongs and focus more on the wrongs you have committed
2. Show compassion, sympathy, and kindness at every opportunity
3. Know that others have different views and try to understand them
4. Help others when they need and will accept help; be willing to sacrifice for others
5. Do not be arrogant
6. Use reason: seek knowledge, question information given to you, and think for yourself; always allow for the possibility that you may be wrong
7. Reign in your fear, anger, envy, greed, and jealousy; recognize them and do not act on them
8. Take responsibility for your actions, and do not use the actions of others to excuse yourself
9. Always try to work for the greater good, but first, do no harm
10. If you must judge others, judge them by their actions alone&lt;/blockquote&gt;Of course, the list need not stop at ten. One obvious omission I saw later is &quot;one cannot avoid responsibility by doing nothing; inaction bears as much responsibility as action does when one has the ability to act.&quot; I&#039;m sure there could be more additions just as important.

I wrote this in a blog post in which I made the point that as a moral guide, the Ten Commandments is pretty useless; half is about upholding the authority of the church, and the other half is mostly really obvious stuff which people would know anyway; it&#039;s not like people would have seen the tablets and gone, &quot;Oh, stealing is WRONG! All this time I thought it was moral and just!&quot; 

The Ten Commandments, even at its best, is such a blunt tool that it&#039;s useless in giving moral advice. How does &quot;Thou shalt not steal&quot; help when you are given the choice between stealing from people with excess or watching a starving child die?

I found it amusing that when I wrote that post, a commenter responded, &quot;You [sic] impromptu list smacks of chutzpah after millenniums of consideration by the best minds in religion....&quot; So many things wrong with that statement, the typo not being one of them.

Blog post reference--the preview choked on the link generated by the comment form, so I include it here: http://blogd.com/wp/index.php/archives/3273 (&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogd.com/wp/index.php/archives/3273&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my list:</p>
<blockquote><p>1. Forgive others their wrongs and focus more on the wrongs you have committed<br />
2. Show compassion, sympathy, and kindness at every opportunity<br />
3. Know that others have different views and try to understand them<br />
4. Help others when they need and will accept help; be willing to sacrifice for others<br />
5. Do not be arrogant<br />
6. Use reason: seek knowledge, question information given to you, and think for yourself; always allow for the possibility that you may be wrong<br />
7. Reign in your fear, anger, envy, greed, and jealousy; recognize them and do not act on them<br />
8. Take responsibility for your actions, and do not use the actions of others to excuse yourself<br />
9. Always try to work for the greater good, but first, do no harm<br />
10. If you must judge others, judge them by their actions alone</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, the list need not stop at ten. One obvious omission I saw later is &#8220;one cannot avoid responsibility by doing nothing; inaction bears as much responsibility as action does when one has the ability to act.&#8221; I&#8217;m sure there could be more additions just as important.</p>
<p>I wrote this in a blog post in which I made the point that as a moral guide, the Ten Commandments is pretty useless; half is about upholding the authority of the church, and the other half is mostly really obvious stuff which people would know anyway; it&#8217;s not like people would have seen the tablets and gone, &#8220;Oh, stealing is WRONG! All this time I thought it was moral and just!&#8221; </p>
<p>The Ten Commandments, even at its best, is such a blunt tool that it&#8217;s useless in giving moral advice. How does &#8220;Thou shalt not steal&#8221; help when you are given the choice between stealing from people with excess or watching a starving child die?</p>
<p>I found it amusing that when I wrote that post, a commenter responded, &#8220;You [sic] impromptu list smacks of chutzpah after millenniums of consideration by the best minds in religion&#8230;.&#8221; So many things wrong with that statement, the typo not being one of them.</p>
<p>Blog post reference&#8211;the preview choked on the link generated by the comment form, so I include it here: <a href="http://blogd.com/wp/index.php/archives/3273" rel="nofollow">http://blogd.com/wp/index.php/archives/3273</a> (<a href="http://blogd.com/wp/index.php/archives/3273" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Towers</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/21/a-revised-ten-commandments-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-321528</link>
		<dc:creator>John Towers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re all pretty great, except for number seven. What does it mean to &quot;cheat&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re all pretty great, except for number seven. What does it mean to &#8220;cheat&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/21/a-revised-ten-commandments-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-321271</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out George Carlin&#039;s(RIP) routine - the Ten Commandments... it&#039;s up on youtube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out George Carlin&#8217;s(RIP) routine &#8211; the Ten Commandments&#8230; it&#8217;s up on youtube.</p>
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		<title>By: GullWatcher</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/21/a-revised-ten-commandments-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-321228</link>
		<dc:creator>GullWatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By that reasoning, Spork, making any law  would constitute &quot;initiating force&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By that reasoning, Spork, making any law  would constitute &#8220;initiating force&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only one commandment is necessary.  Follow the golden rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one commandment is necessary.  Follow the golden rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated.</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Spork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TJ... I might also point out that #1 and #8 contradict.  Taxes, by definition, are an initiation of force.  And if you don&#039;t believe me, then don&#039;t pay them... and see what happens. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TJ&#8230; I might also point out that #1 and #8 contradict.  Taxes, by definition, are an initiation of force.  And if you don&#8217;t believe me, then don&#8217;t pay them&#8230; and see what happens. <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thilina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I liked the theistic commandment

    Always ask yourself, “What would Jesus do?” and then do what the church tells you to do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Every time i hear WWJD i remeber this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1424&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1424&lt;/a&gt;

Thank you SMBC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I liked the theistic commandment</p>
<p>    Always ask yourself, “What would Jesus do?” and then do what the church tells you to do.</p></blockquote>
<p>Every time i hear WWJD i remeber this <a href="http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1424" rel="nofollow">http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1424</a></p>
<p>Thank you SMBC</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/06/21/a-revised-ten-commandments-for-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-321194</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;TJ,
Number 9 on your list is in conflict with number 7.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fair enough, but the people I described in 9 are the ones who would violate number 7. 

Medical limitations include mental limitations, which includes believers ;)

There, that nailed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>TJ,<br />
Number 9 on your list is in conflict with number 7.</p></blockquote>
<p>Fair enough, but the people I described in 9 are the ones who would violate number 7. </p>
<p>Medical limitations include mental limitations, which includes believers <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There, that nailed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To Jeff: “Contrapositives” would necessarily require prescribing behavior. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The contrapositives I was thinking of are more along the lines of what Richard Wade posted.  Just general principles.  No behavioral specifics.

But as you, I&#039;m not a big fan of making lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To Jeff: “Contrapositives” would necessarily require prescribing behavior. </p></blockquote>
<p>The contrapositives I was thinking of are more along the lines of what Richard Wade posted.  Just general principles.  No behavioral specifics.</p>
<p>But as you, I&#8217;m not a big fan of making lists.</p>
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