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		<title>By: Yisroel Feldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yisroel Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am totally sick at the countless outright lies being expressed in this case; however, I cannot blame most people for making these expressions.  

The modern medical establishment shrewdly used its prestige and power so that IT will be viewed as THE only legitimate health care.  It did this by heavily defaming the natural healing professions, saying they were old fashioned unscientific superstitions and thus called them &quot;quacks &quot; and &quot;voodoo doctors.&quot; 
   
So everyone was taught to believe that modern medical treatments are &quot;real&quot; medicine, while any natural things are worthless garbage. 

THE TRUTH THOUGH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!

Almost all of the modern pharmaceutical drugs are artificial poisonous substances which do not belong inside a human body.  When ingested, they may push down certain illness mechanisms, but they also push the rest of the body into unnatural states and thus cause the development of other injuries.  The modern medical world openly admits this, and says that these are &quot;side effects&quot; of the medications.  

The modern conventional chemotherapy drugs are severely toxic items.  How much they effectively stop the cancerous growths is often questionable.  What is not questionable about them are their extremely terrible well known side effects: horrific pain, unstoppable vomiting, total loss of hair, massive weight gain or severe weight loss, damage to heart and lungs (in some rare cases), destruction of red blood cells, destruction of memory, destruction of reproductive ability, and destruction of immunity with possible death.  I repeat, chemo, with its destruction of the immune system, can actually, yes, CAUSE DEATH to happen from even a small infection!  

Furthermore, besides this long list of immediate chemotherapy reactions, there is a long term effect that it itself causes more cancer!  That&#039;s right!  Whatever benefit there is in a chemo pushing down one form of cancer, that chemo now gives the patient a much higher risk of getting other more serious forms of cancer!    

So on the contrary!  Mrs. Coleen Hauser was trying to save her son&#039;s life; I repeat, Mrs. Hauser was trying to, yes, SAVE her son&#039;s life -- from, Lord Forbid, either outright death, or being turned into a deformed invalid!

By sharp contrast, the techniques of the natural healing fields are not injurious to the body; instead, they are geared to support and help the body reset and reactivate its proper functioning, and the &quot;medicines&quot; used are mostly natural materials that the body needs as &quot;food&quot; to fuel these functions.  Many scientific studies have thus verified the numerous benefits to many areas of health of various natural remedies.  For examples of specific nutrients in cancer treatment, see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8971064
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9634050

http://uimc.discoveryhospital.com/main.php?t=symptom&amp;p=selenium_seen_as_prostate_prot

http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/8/11/3579.pdf

http://www.creighton.edu/publicrelations/newscenter/news/2007/june2007/june82007/vitamind_cancer_nr060807/index.php

At the same time, the natural professions do not completely reject the work of modern medicine.  On the contrary, they greatly appreciate and admire modern medicine&#039;s discoveries and accomplishments and openly declare that there are numerous situations where modern surgery and drugs -- including chemotherapy and radiation -- are what is needed.  

What they do say though is that there are numerous conditions that can be effectively taken care of with appropriate natural techniques with minimal side effects.  Therefore, in those cases, they strongly condemn the standard world for unnecessarily subjecting patients to harmful drugs or dangerous operations.  Furthermore, even where standard work is needed, natural work can still help in two ways: 1. It can cause some improvement so that less medication or less invasive surgery is needed.  2. It can help repair the side effect damage from the harsh drug or surgery.  

Therefore, the natural professions call what they do &quot;Complementary Medicine&quot; or &quot;Integrated Medicine.&quot;  One of the top holistic doctors told me: &quot;We try to take the best of both worlds.&quot;

And this is what Mrs. Hauser wanted!  She openly said that she was not against chemotherapy; because of its severe problems though, she understandably wanted it only as a last resort.  She further wanted that any chemo work should be complemented with natural work to lessen the terrible pain her son would have.  

She thus wanted to go to one of the many holistic cancer centers in Mexico where they specialize in these techniques of combining needed chemo/radiation therapy with appropriate natural therapies.  Now, exactly what formulation of treatment they would have given Daniel, we will never know!  For Mrs. Hauser and her son were not allowed to do any of this!

WHY??  YES, WHY???  

Now, of course, the media and numerous internet pages are loudly trumpeting that when the Hausers were out doing the &quot;voodoo&quot; stuff, the tumor got worse.

Again, this is a fiendish twisting of the facts.

DANIEL DID NOT GET WORSE BECAUSE HOLISTIC MEDICINE IS GARBAGE!!

DANIEL WAS NOT GETTING ANY PROFESSIONAL HOLISTIC MEDICAL TREATMENT!!  REMEMBER??  THE HOLY, HOLY MEDICAL POLICE WOULD NOT LET HIM DO THAT!! 

DANIEL GOT WORSE BECAUSE OF THE HORRIFIC TERROR THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT AND THE JUDGES AND THE POLICE AND THE MEDIA PUT ON HIM AND HIS MOTHER!!

The standard people (along with their forced chemo thingy) have NOW allowed Daniel to have some complementary things.  That is certainly very nice!  And that he is thus, in some ways, doing a little better, is, again, certainly very nice!  Of course, we will have to see how it all turns out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally sick at the countless outright lies being expressed in this case; however, I cannot blame most people for making these expressions.  </p>
<p>The modern medical establishment shrewdly used its prestige and power so that IT will be viewed as THE only legitimate health care.  It did this by heavily defaming the natural healing professions, saying they were old fashioned unscientific superstitions and thus called them &#8220;quacks &#8221; and &#8220;voodoo doctors.&#8221; </p>
<p>So everyone was taught to believe that modern medical treatments are &#8220;real&#8221; medicine, while any natural things are worthless garbage. </p>
<p>THE TRUTH THOUGH IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!</p>
<p>Almost all of the modern pharmaceutical drugs are artificial poisonous substances which do not belong inside a human body.  When ingested, they may push down certain illness mechanisms, but they also push the rest of the body into unnatural states and thus cause the development of other injuries.  The modern medical world openly admits this, and says that these are &#8220;side effects&#8221; of the medications.  </p>
<p>The modern conventional chemotherapy drugs are severely toxic items.  How much they effectively stop the cancerous growths is often questionable.  What is not questionable about them are their extremely terrible well known side effects: horrific pain, unstoppable vomiting, total loss of hair, massive weight gain or severe weight loss, damage to heart and lungs (in some rare cases), destruction of red blood cells, destruction of memory, destruction of reproductive ability, and destruction of immunity with possible death.  I repeat, chemo, with its destruction of the immune system, can actually, yes, CAUSE DEATH to happen from even a small infection!  </p>
<p>Furthermore, besides this long list of immediate chemotherapy reactions, there is a long term effect that it itself causes more cancer!  That&#8217;s right!  Whatever benefit there is in a chemo pushing down one form of cancer, that chemo now gives the patient a much higher risk of getting other more serious forms of cancer!    </p>
<p>So on the contrary!  Mrs. Coleen Hauser was trying to save her son&#8217;s life; I repeat, Mrs. Hauser was trying to, yes, SAVE her son&#8217;s life &#8212; from, Lord Forbid, either outright death, or being turned into a deformed invalid!</p>
<p>By sharp contrast, the techniques of the natural healing fields are not injurious to the body; instead, they are geared to support and help the body reset and reactivate its proper functioning, and the &#8220;medicines&#8221; used are mostly natural materials that the body needs as &#8220;food&#8221; to fuel these functions.  Many scientific studies have thus verified the numerous benefits to many areas of health of various natural remedies.  For examples of specific nutrients in cancer treatment, see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8971064" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8971064</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9634050" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9634050</a></p>
<p><a href="http://uimc.discoveryhospital.com/main.php?t=symptom&amp;p=selenium_seen_as_prostate_prot" rel="nofollow">http://uimc.discoveryhospital.com/main.php?t=symptom&amp;p=selenium_seen_as_prostate_prot</a></p>
<p><a href="http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/8/11/3579.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/8/11/3579.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.creighton.edu/publicrelations/newscenter/news/2007/june2007/june82007/vitamind_cancer_nr060807/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.creighton.edu/publicrelations/newscenter/news/2007/june2007/june82007/vitamind_cancer_nr060807/index.php</a></p>
<p>At the same time, the natural professions do not completely reject the work of modern medicine.  On the contrary, they greatly appreciate and admire modern medicine&#8217;s discoveries and accomplishments and openly declare that there are numerous situations where modern surgery and drugs &#8212; including chemotherapy and radiation &#8212; are what is needed.  </p>
<p>What they do say though is that there are numerous conditions that can be effectively taken care of with appropriate natural techniques with minimal side effects.  Therefore, in those cases, they strongly condemn the standard world for unnecessarily subjecting patients to harmful drugs or dangerous operations.  Furthermore, even where standard work is needed, natural work can still help in two ways: 1. It can cause some improvement so that less medication or less invasive surgery is needed.  2. It can help repair the side effect damage from the harsh drug or surgery.  </p>
<p>Therefore, the natural professions call what they do &#8220;Complementary Medicine&#8221; or &#8220;Integrated Medicine.&#8221;  One of the top holistic doctors told me: &#8220;We try to take the best of both worlds.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is what Mrs. Hauser wanted!  She openly said that she was not against chemotherapy; because of its severe problems though, she understandably wanted it only as a last resort.  She further wanted that any chemo work should be complemented with natural work to lessen the terrible pain her son would have.  </p>
<p>She thus wanted to go to one of the many holistic cancer centers in Mexico where they specialize in these techniques of combining needed chemo/radiation therapy with appropriate natural therapies.  Now, exactly what formulation of treatment they would have given Daniel, we will never know!  For Mrs. Hauser and her son were not allowed to do any of this!</p>
<p>WHY??  YES, WHY???  </p>
<p>Now, of course, the media and numerous internet pages are loudly trumpeting that when the Hausers were out doing the &#8220;voodoo&#8221; stuff, the tumor got worse.</p>
<p>Again, this is a fiendish twisting of the facts.</p>
<p>DANIEL DID NOT GET WORSE BECAUSE HOLISTIC MEDICINE IS GARBAGE!!</p>
<p>DANIEL WAS NOT GETTING ANY PROFESSIONAL HOLISTIC MEDICAL TREATMENT!!  REMEMBER??  THE HOLY, HOLY MEDICAL POLICE WOULD NOT LET HIM DO THAT!! </p>
<p>DANIEL GOT WORSE BECAUSE OF THE HORRIFIC TERROR THE MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT AND THE JUDGES AND THE POLICE AND THE MEDIA PUT ON HIM AND HIS MOTHER!!</p>
<p>The standard people (along with their forced chemo thingy) have NOW allowed Daniel to have some complementary things.  That is certainly very nice!  And that he is thus, in some ways, doing a little better, is, again, certainly very nice!  Of course, we will have to see how it all turns out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lots of DOs at the hospital I work at. Several are actually internal medicine hospitalists. I&#039;ve never seen or heard of them doing any of the woo stuff. They treat the same as the MDs. One of them also has a pharmacy PhD. In my experience, no difference, although that might not be the case everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lots of DOs at the hospital I work at. Several are actually internal medicine hospitalists. I&#8217;ve never seen or heard of them doing any of the woo stuff. They treat the same as the MDs. One of them also has a pharmacy PhD. In my experience, no difference, although that might not be the case everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Alt med still making me sick &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alt med still making me sick &#124; Bad Astronomy &#124; Discover Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] judge agrees: he issued a court order to the family to make them have Daniel undergo chemotherapy. And guess what? His tumor is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Handbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Handbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Osteopathic Medicine has its roots in quackery - the main tenant that if you structurally maximize the body&#039;s systems then the body would heal itself.  It slowly started involving medicine until the 60&#039;s or 70&#039;s when they became able to practice unrestricted medicine.  Nowadays osteopathic schools are medical schools (which have all the courses as MD schools) with extra classes in osteopathic manipulation.

I originally went to osteopathic school because I thought it was like being a super-doctor: all the medicine practicing rights plus the effectively treat musculoskeletal pain (one of the top five reasons people see their doctor).  And in many ways it is.  What annoyed me then and now is that there is a 10% of the group who hold onto their osteopathic identity like cult members frequently talking about &quot;AT Still said this before we even understood what it meant...&quot;.  And yes, I&#039;d say a larger percent of DOs as opposed to MDs practice Contemporary-Alternative-Medicine (CAM).

What drives me crazy, though, is that even though I am a completely evidence-based physician, I am lumped in with that 10% lunatic fringe of DOs.  I&#039;m proud of how I did in my medical school and how I am doing in my MD residency, but if I could change those last two letters of my last name without having to attend another four years of an MD medical school (cover ALL the same things I learned at the DO school minus the extra OMM classes) I WOULD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Osteopathic Medicine has its roots in quackery &#8211; the main tenant that if you structurally maximize the body&#8217;s systems then the body would heal itself.  It slowly started involving medicine until the 60&#8217;s or 70&#8217;s when they became able to practice unrestricted medicine.  Nowadays osteopathic schools are medical schools (which have all the courses as MD schools) with extra classes in osteopathic manipulation.</p>
<p>I originally went to osteopathic school because I thought it was like being a super-doctor: all the medicine practicing rights plus the effectively treat musculoskeletal pain (one of the top five reasons people see their doctor).  And in many ways it is.  What annoyed me then and now is that there is a 10% of the group who hold onto their osteopathic identity like cult members frequently talking about &#8220;AT Still said this before we even understood what it meant&#8230;&#8221;.  And yes, I&#8217;d say a larger percent of DOs as opposed to MDs practice Contemporary-Alternative-Medicine (CAM).</p>
<p>What drives me crazy, though, is that even though I am a completely evidence-based physician, I am lumped in with that 10% lunatic fringe of DOs.  I&#8217;m proud of how I did in my medical school and how I am doing in my MD residency, but if I could change those last two letters of my last name without having to attend another four years of an MD medical school (cover ALL the same things I learned at the DO school minus the extra OMM classes) I WOULD.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeTheInfidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeTheInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;ve abandoned the pseudoscientific roots and refuse to make the same claims as classic osteopaths... perhaps they should change their name?

Otherwise, it&#039;s like a &quot;reformed&quot; homeopath arguing that you shouldn&#039;t paint homeopathy with a bad brush because some homeopaths get nearly the same kind of medical training and licensing as MDs.

When alchemy stopped being pseudoscience, it became chemistry. Why can&#039;t you change the name of your practice as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;ve abandoned the pseudoscientific roots and refuse to make the same claims as classic osteopaths&#8230; perhaps they should change their name?</p>
<p>Otherwise, it&#8217;s like a &#8220;reformed&#8221; homeopath arguing that you shouldn&#8217;t paint homeopathy with a bad brush because some homeopaths get nearly the same kind of medical training and licensing as MDs.</p>
<p>When alchemy stopped being pseudoscience, it became chemistry. Why can&#8217;t you change the name of your practice as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Snuggly Buffalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snuggly Buffalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that osteopathy in the U.S. has abandoned it&#039;s pseudo-scientific roots and embraced scientific medicine (barring crazy individuals, which you can find in any discipline), using manipulations strictly in the treatment of musculoskeletal problems. I&#039;ve heard many skeptics recommend them as an alternative to Chiropractic.

I&#039;ve also read that osteopathy outside of the U.S. is still a huge load of bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that osteopathy in the U.S. has abandoned it&#8217;s pseudo-scientific roots and embraced scientific medicine (barring crazy individuals, which you can find in any discipline), using manipulations strictly in the treatment of musculoskeletal problems. I&#8217;ve heard many skeptics recommend them as an alternative to Chiropractic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also read that osteopathy outside of the U.S. is still a huge load of bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Hey You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hey You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an article on Osteopathy on SkepticWiki: http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Osteopathy ... I don&#039;t know much about the difference between a DO and an MD, but if some DOs practice medicine just like MDs, what advantage is there for those DOs to become a DO instead of just going ahead and getting a MD?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an article on Osteopathy on SkepticWiki: <a href="http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Osteopathy" rel="nofollow">http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Osteopathy</a> &#8230; I don&#8217;t know much about the difference between a DO and an MD, but if some DOs practice medicine just like MDs, what advantage is there for those DOs to become a DO instead of just going ahead and getting a MD?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kingsford Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kingsford Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These bogus parents are alarmingly insane.</description>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not defend osteopathy. It&#039;s quackery. And before you start defending it, ask yourself whether there is really any firm, scientific basis for it and any firm evidence. Ask yourself whether you want to believe (like this unfortunate kid&#039;s parents) or whether you want to be a sceptic examiner of truth. Please, do not go into defense mode but for once go and seek out the evidence and visit a couple of sceptic websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not defend osteopathy. It&#8217;s quackery. And before you start defending it, ask yourself whether there is really any firm, scientific basis for it and any firm evidence. Ask yourself whether you want to believe (like this unfortunate kid&#8217;s parents) or whether you want to be a sceptic examiner of truth. Please, do not go into defense mode but for once go and seek out the evidence and visit a couple of sceptic websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made this point on the &quot;conversation stoppers&quot; post.  There is simply no &quot;winning&quot; with these folks.  You and I both know that it&#039;s the chemo that helped this kid, but they&#039;re going to claim it was &quot;prayer&quot; or &quot;alternative medicine&quot; or whatever.

Sometimes you just need to smile, nod your head (while thinking &quot;what a dumbass&quot;) and hope that the rest of society will advance despite it&#039;s lowest common denominators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this point on the &#8220;conversation stoppers&#8221; post.  There is simply no &#8220;winning&#8221; with these folks.  You and I both know that it&#8217;s the chemo that helped this kid, but they&#8217;re going to claim it was &#8220;prayer&#8221; or &#8220;alternative medicine&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>Sometimes you just need to smile, nod your head (while thinking &#8220;what a dumbass&#8221;) and hope that the rest of society will advance despite it&#8217;s lowest common denominators.</p>
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