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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-296102</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it.  I&#039;m never telling my boyfriend he looks nice again.  Don&#039;t want him to get cocky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it.  I&#8217;m never telling my boyfriend he looks nice again.  Don&#8217;t want him to get cocky.</p>
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		<title>By: Spurs Fan</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295985</link>
		<dc:creator>Spurs Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One thing I never understood about this whole “courtship” concept is how you’re supposed to figure out that you even want to court a girl if you’re not supposed to have any contact with her until after you’ve already made a commitment to her? All you’d have to go on is what she looks like and how well she sings in the church choir. Seems like a recipe for a lot of very superficial relationships.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mike,

While the Quiverfull movement may revolve around these extremes, the &quot;courtship&quot; idea I was presented in my former Christian community was more of the notion that you get to know the girl by talking to her and spending time with her, but always in the company of her family or good Christian friends (she never spent a lot of time with your family of course...definitely a sexist bent).  While this is at least better than the type you described, it still creates sort of an artificial environment which can cause the future husband and wife to not know how to relate to each other because they have always had the &quot;crutch&quot; of that community.  

Interestingly enough my (still) Christian wife and I spent a lot of time getting to know each other in the midst of a group of friends.  This wasn&#039;t necessarily bad (we still have good relationships with most of them), but it caused some tension later on when I &quot;lost my faith&quot; and we had to figure things out on our own.  Thankfully, our marriage is pretty strong.  I fear for others in this situation who think they may be in love with someone, but are really in love with the community.  If they ever leave that community their marriage might not hold up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One thing I never understood about this whole “courtship” concept is how you’re supposed to figure out that you even want to court a girl if you’re not supposed to have any contact with her until after you’ve already made a commitment to her? All you’d have to go on is what she looks like and how well she sings in the church choir. Seems like a recipe for a lot of very superficial relationships.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mike,</p>
<p>While the Quiverfull movement may revolve around these extremes, the &#8220;courtship&#8221; idea I was presented in my former Christian community was more of the notion that you get to know the girl by talking to her and spending time with her, but always in the company of her family or good Christian friends (she never spent a lot of time with your family of course&#8230;definitely a sexist bent).  While this is at least better than the type you described, it still creates sort of an artificial environment which can cause the future husband and wife to not know how to relate to each other because they have always had the &#8220;crutch&#8221; of that community.  </p>
<p>Interestingly enough my (still) Christian wife and I spent a lot of time getting to know each other in the midst of a group of friends.  This wasn&#8217;t necessarily bad (we still have good relationships with most of them), but it caused some tension later on when I &#8220;lost my faith&#8221; and we had to figure things out on our own.  Thankfully, our marriage is pretty strong.  I fear for others in this situation who think they may be in love with someone, but are really in love with the community.  If they ever leave that community their marriage might not hold up.</p>
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		<title>By: CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can they GET any more pathetic, in both senses of the word?</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295694</link>
		<dc:creator>CelticBear&#8217;s Musings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can they GET any more pathetic, in both senses of the word?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scary Excerpt from Quiverfull: Part 2 “I never told her ‘I love you,’ and I never told her she was beautiful,” explains Peter, “two things that I thought would insert an emotional flutter, an emotional element. I wanted to withhold before I made a commitment.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scary Excerpt from Quiverfull: Part 2 “I never told her ‘I love you,’ and I never told her she was beautiful,” explains Peter, “two things that I thought would insert an emotional flutter, an emotional element. I wanted to withhold before I made a commitment.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Clawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I never understood about this whole &quot;courtship&quot; concept is how you&#039;re supposed to figure out that you even want to court a girl if you&#039;re not supposed to have any contact with her until after you&#039;ve already made a commitment to her? All you&#039;d have to go on is what she looks like and how well she sings in the church choir. Seems like a recipe for a lot of very superficial relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I never understood about this whole &#8220;courtship&#8221; concept is how you&#8217;re supposed to figure out that you even want to court a girl if you&#8217;re not supposed to have any contact with her until after you&#8217;ve already made a commitment to her? All you&#8217;d have to go on is what she looks like and how well she sings in the church choir. Seems like a recipe for a lot of very superficial relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret Y.</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295521</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep these excerpts coming, Hemant.  I love a good horror story.  Scary!  Very, very scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep these excerpts coming, Hemant.  I love a good horror story.  Scary!  Very, very scary.</p>
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		<title>By: EatenByChutulu</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295293</link>
		<dc:creator>EatenByChutulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm...you know, if a guy can&#039;t tell you he loves you, kick him to the curb. Yeesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230;you know, if a guy can&#8217;t tell you he loves you, kick him to the curb. Yeesh.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 05:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have daughters.  If anyone ever asks me if they could marry her and presents biblical arguments of what he expected from his future wife I may have to beat him about the head with a cudgel...unless it is an elaborate joke.  Is that what Quiverfull is?  An elaborate joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have daughters.  If anyone ever asks me if they could marry her and presents biblical arguments of what he expected from his future wife I may have to beat him about the head with a cudgel&#8230;unless it is an elaborate joke.  Is that what Quiverfull is?  An elaborate joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lundgren</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295268</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Lundgren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 04:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thought getting a Catholic school education was restrictive...</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It reminds me of the old joke.  

Single man looking for woman with boat.  Please send picture of boat.  

Although in this case, it would be 
Single Christian man looking for submissive Christian girl with stove.  Please send picture of stove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of the old joke.  </p>
<p>Single man looking for woman with boat.  Please send picture of boat.  </p>
<p>Although in this case, it would be<br />
Single Christian man looking for submissive Christian girl with stove.  Please send picture of stove.</p>
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		<title>By: The Woman of Your Dreams &#171; The Redheaded Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/04/08/scary-excerpt-from-quiverfull-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-295249</link>
		<dc:creator>The Woman of Your Dreams &#171; The Redheaded Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]   I was reading an article containing an excerpt from Kathryn Joyce&#8217;s Quiverfull over at the Friendly Atheist. He quoted a section detailing the marriage of Peter and Kelly Bradrick. I wondered, &#8220;Who are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   I was reading an article containing an excerpt from Kathryn Joyce&#8217;s Quiverfull over at the Friendly Atheist. He quoted a section detailing the marriage of Peter and Kelly Bradrick. I wondered, &#8220;Who are [...]</p>
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