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	<title>Comments on: Tim Tebow&#8217;s Eyes Say John 3:16</title>
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		<title>By: g8rphann</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/01/08/tim-tebows-eyes-say-john-316/comment-page-2/#comment-369380</link>
		<dc:creator>g8rphann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we got our &quot;censorship&quot; test case.
Two weeks ago Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor had eye black saying &quot;Vick&quot;, as an homage to recently free NFL QB Michael Vick (who killed and tortured dogs while financing an illegal dog fighting ring).

He failed to impress anyone with his explanation of why he chose to wear Vick&#039;s name on his eye black. His coach, Jim Tressel, put an end to it by saying, &quot;Any messages or symbols on players eye black will be strictly &quot;government issue&quot; from here on in&quot;. Basically, it will have an Ohio State logo, or nothing.

I&#039;d bet the house that next season, the NCAA will adopt the same attitude as Coach Tressel.

I&#039;m not what you&#039;d call a religious man myself... but i&#039;ll be praying for Timmy&#039;s health given the hit he took last night and the subsequent &quot;issues&quot; that followed.

Go Gators!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we got our &#8220;censorship&#8221; test case.<br />
Two weeks ago Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor had eye black saying &#8220;Vick&#8221;, as an homage to recently free NFL QB Michael Vick (who killed and tortured dogs while financing an illegal dog fighting ring).</p>
<p>He failed to impress anyone with his explanation of why he chose to wear Vick&#8217;s name on his eye black. His coach, Jim Tressel, put an end to it by saying, &#8220;Any messages or symbols on players eye black will be strictly &#8220;government issue&#8221; from here on in&#8221;. Basically, it will have an Ohio State logo, or nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet the house that next season, the NCAA will adopt the same attitude as Coach Tressel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not what you&#8217;d call a religious man myself&#8230; but i&#8217;ll be praying for Timmy&#8217;s health given the hit he took last night and the subsequent &#8220;issues&#8221; that followed.</p>
<p>Go Gators!</p>
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		<title>By: Tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeremy...so, are you saying that when a plane crashes and everyone dies, it means Jesus wasn&#039;t watching over those people? WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeremy&#8230;so, are you saying that when a plane crashes and everyone dies, it means Jesus wasn&#8217;t watching over those people? WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/01/08/tim-tebows-eyes-say-john-316/comment-page-2/#comment-262571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because you don&#039;t believe in something doesn&#039;t make it not exist.  I pray for you atheists because Jesus can save you.  

Was it just plain luck that an Airbus plane just crash landed in the Hudson and no one got hurt? God was watching over those people.  I think God is trying to tell people that He is still in control and is watching over us even in tough times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you don&#8217;t believe in something doesn&#8217;t make it not exist.  I pray for you atheists because Jesus can save you.  </p>
<p>Was it just plain luck that an Airbus plane just crash landed in the Hudson and no one got hurt? God was watching over those people.  I think God is trying to tell people that He is still in control and is watching over us even in tough times.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/01/08/tim-tebows-eyes-say-john-316/comment-page-2/#comment-262164</link>
		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade, that just isn&#039;t true.  I believe in lots of things.  I just like to check that the things I believe in have some basis in fact.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;EVERYTHING IS NOT IN A DAGUM BOOK. Do you have to go find it in some stupid formula or aerospace book that someone or something(MAYBE GOD) LOVES… LOVES you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m not sure what a dagum is and I couldn&#039;t find it in my dictionary.  However the point you make simply does not follow from a reasoned discussion about cosmology.  Love is subjective, emotional, opinion and intuitive.  For an emotion an equally subjective emotional response is fine.  That&#039;s not the subject though unless you are suggesting that Tim paints his face to display his irrational feelings about his faith.  That seems a bit unfair on the young lad.

As you asked about my own emotional attachments I&#039;ll tell you that I&#039;m happy in my long term relationship.  We balanced individuals we have physical, intellectual and emotional connections based on mutual respect and desire.  We&#039;ve grown together for much longer than the typical American marriage.  We don&#039;t have to hold anything back for a god though.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t care what you or anybody says science never will explain everything. That just a FACT of life. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Perhaps not but I am something of a pragmatist.  Learning a lot about a lot might be nowhere near learning everything but it is still far superior to learning nothing.  Science is a wonderful tool to explain the natural world and we&#039;d be fools to forsake it because it occasionally suggests things that might challenge our presuppositions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Hope you have a great life but I hope you turn it around so you don’t burn in hell forever.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Thank you, I intend to carry on having a great life and I have no intention of burning in hell.  That&#039;s because I don&#039;t believe in hell and not because I live in fear of it.  I hope things work out for you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade, that just isn&#8217;t true.  I believe in lots of things.  I just like to check that the things I believe in have some basis in fact.  </p>
<blockquote><p>EVERYTHING IS NOT IN A DAGUM BOOK. Do you have to go find it in some stupid formula or aerospace book that someone or something(MAYBE GOD) LOVES… LOVES you.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what a dagum is and I couldn&#8217;t find it in my dictionary.  However the point you make simply does not follow from a reasoned discussion about cosmology.  Love is subjective, emotional, opinion and intuitive.  For an emotion an equally subjective emotional response is fine.  That&#8217;s not the subject though unless you are suggesting that Tim paints his face to display his irrational feelings about his faith.  That seems a bit unfair on the young lad.</p>
<p>As you asked about my own emotional attachments I&#8217;ll tell you that I&#8217;m happy in my long term relationship.  We balanced individuals we have physical, intellectual and emotional connections based on mutual respect and desire.  We&#8217;ve grown together for much longer than the typical American marriage.  We don&#8217;t have to hold anything back for a god though.</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t care what you or anybody says science never will explain everything. That just a FACT of life. </p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps not but I am something of a pragmatist.  Learning a lot about a lot might be nowhere near learning everything but it is still far superior to learning nothing.  Science is a wonderful tool to explain the natural world and we&#8217;d be fools to forsake it because it occasionally suggests things that might challenge our presuppositions.</p>
<blockquote><p>Hope you have a great life but I hope you turn it around so you don’t burn in hell forever.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you, I intend to carry on having a great life and I have no intention of burning in hell.  That&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t believe in hell and not because I live in fear of it.  I hope things work out for you too.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hoverfrog - I give up. You are so wrapped up in having to prove everything you can&#039;t believe in anything. Maybe one day I&#039;ll meet the genious commet that invented me from itself and whatever made that commet have mercy. EVERYTHING IS NOT IN A DAGUM BOOK. Do you have to go find it in some stupid formula or aerospace book that someone or something(MAYBE GOD) LOVES... LOVES you. Why is that so impossible? What about your wife or mom or friend or partner .. whatever. Do you have to find that in a book or prove through science that they actually love you? I don&#039;t care what you or anybody says science never will explain everything. That just a FACT of life. I&#039;m done. Hope you have a great life but I hope you turn it around so you don&#039;t burn in hell forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoverfrog &#8211; I give up. You are so wrapped up in having to prove everything you can&#8217;t believe in anything. Maybe one day I&#8217;ll meet the genious commet that invented me from itself and whatever made that commet have mercy. EVERYTHING IS NOT IN A DAGUM BOOK. Do you have to go find it in some stupid formula or aerospace book that someone or something(MAYBE GOD) LOVES&#8230; LOVES you. Why is that so impossible? What about your wife or mom or friend or partner .. whatever. Do you have to find that in a book or prove through science that they actually love you? I don&#8217;t care what you or anybody says science never will explain everything. That just a FACT of life. I&#8217;m done. Hope you have a great life but I hope you turn it around so you don&#8217;t burn in hell forever.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what they would do if he had..

&quot;Legalize     pot&quot;... under his eyes.

Or what would really be funny is 

I am sure they wouldn&#039;t allow that, however that is a message MILLIONS of Americans want to express, so it is a double standard,&quot;We like THAT view, but we dislike this other one because it &#039;promotes&#039; drug use&quot; 

Basically, allow ALL messages, or none at all. 

Now if this was the NFL, I might say it should be up to the NFL since it is a private company. however I am guessing this is a public college, with public funding, from everything to the arena to the coaches salary.

oh I have another one for ya

&quot;Gay   rights&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what they would do if he had..</p>
<p>&#8220;Legalize     pot&#8221;&#8230; under his eyes.</p>
<p>Or what would really be funny is </p>
<p>I am sure they wouldn&#8217;t allow that, however that is a message MILLIONS of Americans want to express, so it is a double standard,&#8221;We like THAT view, but we dislike this other one because it &#8216;promotes&#8217; drug use&#8221; </p>
<p>Basically, allow ALL messages, or none at all. </p>
<p>Now if this was the NFL, I might say it should be up to the NFL since it is a private company. however I am guessing this is a public college, with public funding, from everything to the arena to the coaches salary.</p>
<p>oh I have another one for ya</p>
<p>&#8220;Gay   rights&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hoffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not religious stuff he&#039;s written, that&#039;s his latest boyfriend and the size of his dick, yeah it&#039;s true he&#039;s gay but he didn&#039;t want anyone to know, it&#039;s a secret, oops have I said to much.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not religious stuff he&#8217;s written, that&#8217;s his latest boyfriend and the size of his dick, yeah it&#8217;s true he&#8217;s gay but he didn&#8217;t want anyone to know, it&#8217;s a secret, oops have I said to much&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How cruel, how evil is a creator who would toy with people’s lives in such ways?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How evil is demolishing an anthill with your lawnmower, or installing a bug-zapper just to watch insects self-annihilate? I mean just when you consider scale, and the enormity of God, a couple little flies getting in his way is probably no big deal, to him at least.

Granted God is supposed to be personal and intimate and love us all equally. Then again, God&#039;s perfect sense of justice is supposed to trump his love (else why would he have to sacrifice himself to himself?). Then again, the mass murder of children isn&#039;t exactly a just punishment for enslaving all the descendants of a single person. Oh look, I&#039;ve gone cross-eyed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How cruel, how evil is a creator who would toy with people’s lives in such ways?</p></blockquote>
<p>How evil is demolishing an anthill with your lawnmower, or installing a bug-zapper just to watch insects self-annihilate? I mean just when you consider scale, and the enormity of God, a couple little flies getting in his way is probably no big deal, to him at least.</p>
<p>Granted God is supposed to be personal and intimate and love us all equally. Then again, God&#8217;s perfect sense of justice is supposed to trump his love (else why would he have to sacrifice himself to himself?). Then again, the mass murder of children isn&#8217;t exactly a just punishment for enslaving all the descendants of a single person. Oh look, I&#8217;ve gone cross-eyed again.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade

&lt;blockquote&gt;where did the comets come from?&lt;/blockquote&gt;The Oort Cloud.

Thank you for the link but I think that you&#039;d get much more information from a book on cosmology or a basic science book.  The questions you ask are all very interesting and the answers may provide some measure of understanding on how we came to be.  It seems that you are dismissing naturalistic explanations without really considering them.  

Questions about what caused what, for you, end in a creator but this only begs the question of what caused the creator.  Saying that a creator needed no creator begs the question again.  If God needed no creator then why does the universe?  God is simply not needed to make sense of the world, the universe and our lives within it.

As for the plagues, because I never can resist saying too much, how do you know that they did not occur naturally?  How do you know that the improbability of them occurring makes a natural explanation impossible?  How do you know that they even happened at all?  And if they did happen by God&#039;s hand, what does that say about the God who made them?  Did the first born sons of Egypt deserve to die.  How cruel, how evil is a creator who would toy with people&#039;s lives in such ways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade</p>
<blockquote><p>where did the comets come from?</p></blockquote>
<p>The Oort Cloud.</p>
<p>Thank you for the link but I think that you&#8217;d get much more information from a book on cosmology or a basic science book.  The questions you ask are all very interesting and the answers may provide some measure of understanding on how we came to be.  It seems that you are dismissing naturalistic explanations without really considering them.  </p>
<p>Questions about what caused what, for you, end in a creator but this only begs the question of what caused the creator.  Saying that a creator needed no creator begs the question again.  If God needed no creator then why does the universe?  God is simply not needed to make sense of the world, the universe and our lives within it.</p>
<p>As for the plagues, because I never can resist saying too much, how do you know that they did not occur naturally?  How do you know that the improbability of them occurring makes a natural explanation impossible?  How do you know that they even happened at all?  And if they did happen by God&#8217;s hand, what does that say about the God who made them?  Did the first born sons of Egypt deserve to die.  How cruel, how evil is a creator who would toy with people&#8217;s lives in such ways?</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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