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	<title>Comments on: Indianapolis Newspaper Rids Itself of Prayer</title>
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		<title>By: Trina Hoaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trina Hoaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, Kurt. I am incredulous... kind of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Kurt. I am incredulous&#8230; kind of.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update to this story: After receiving &quot;thousands&quot; of letters, phone calls, and cancellation threats, the Indy Star has reinstated the Daily Prayer in its previous location.  Not a huge surprise, since as I mentioned above, the front-page masthead features a quote from Corinthians.  Oh well, one step forward, two steps back.

Today&#039;s op-ed page is filled with self-congratulatory Letters to the Editor on the Prayer issue, with headlines such as &quot;Public roars, Star listens; results are good&quot;.  I would have thought there might be more important things to devote space to on a day like this.  Like, for instance, I hear a rumor there is some new guy taking over as President of the country around noon-ish.

For the morbidly interested, today&#039;s Indy Star Prayer is for God to bless and hold Biden and Obama so that they do a good job so that we&#039;ll all be blessed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update to this story: After receiving &#8220;thousands&#8221; of letters, phone calls, and cancellation threats, the Indy Star has reinstated the Daily Prayer in its previous location.  Not a huge surprise, since as I mentioned above, the front-page masthead features a quote from Corinthians.  Oh well, one step forward, two steps back.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s op-ed page is filled with self-congratulatory Letters to the Editor on the Prayer issue, with headlines such as &#8220;Public roars, Star listens; results are good&#8221;.  I would have thought there might be more important things to devote space to on a day like this.  Like, for instance, I hear a rumor there is some new guy taking over as President of the country around noon-ish.</p>
<p>For the morbidly interested, today&#8217;s Indy Star Prayer is for God to bless and hold Biden and Obama so that they do a good job so that we&#8217;ll all be blessed.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/01/07/indianapolis-newspaper-rids-itself-of-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-258774</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pseudonym:

I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudonym:</p>
<p>I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; I’m confident that people will continue to offer their own prayers reflecting their own lives and faith needs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know why I think that&#039;s so funny...probably because there&#039;s the implication that some people think that the end of the newspaper-provided prayer will somehow diminish the number of prayers going up:  

&quot;Marge, we can&#039;t say prayers anymore!  The newspaper stopped printing them!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I’m confident that people will continue to offer their own prayers reflecting their own lives and faith needs.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why I think that&#8217;s so funny&#8230;probably because there&#8217;s the implication that some people think that the end of the newspaper-provided prayer will somehow diminish the number of prayers going up:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Marge, we can&#8217;t say prayers anymore!  The newspaper stopped printing them!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good move on the Star&#039;s part.

I&#039;m familiar with the paper, and always thought the inclusion of a prayer undermined its credibility.

If the major Midwestern papers (and the cities that support them) want to increase their prominence, they need to be letting go of these backwoods &quot;traditions&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good move on the Star&#8217;s part.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m familiar with the paper, and always thought the inclusion of a prayer undermined its credibility.</p>
<p>If the major Midwestern papers (and the cities that support them) want to increase their prominence, they need to be letting go of these backwoods &#8220;traditions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Galileo was an astrologer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Astrology, at the time, was considered a legitimate field of human endeavour.  Like alchemy, today we properly think of the astrology of Galileo, Newton etc as &quot;proto-science&quot;, not &quot;pseudo-science&quot;.

The main difference between them and what we see today is that today&#039;s astrologers rarely, if ever, look at the sky, let alone try to determine what&#039;s up there.

I do happen to agree that it&#039;s rich that they dumped prayer but kept the astrology column.  Surely the only correct answer is to ditch both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James:</p>
<blockquote><p>Galileo was an astrologer.</p></blockquote>
<p>Astrology, at the time, was considered a legitimate field of human endeavour.  Like alchemy, today we properly think of the astrology of Galileo, Newton etc as &#8220;proto-science&#8221;, not &#8220;pseudo-science&#8221;.</p>
<p>The main difference between them and what we see today is that today&#8217;s astrologers rarely, if ever, look at the sky, let alone try to determine what&#8217;s up there.</p>
<p>I do happen to agree that it&#8217;s rich that they dumped prayer but kept the astrology column.  Surely the only correct answer is to ditch both.</p>
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		<title>By: chancelikely</title>
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		<dc:creator>chancelikely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it was too much to get rid of the prayer, but they do need to save space.  Perhaps the prayer and horoscope could be merged into a single feature?

&quot;Oh Lord, help us in our financial endeavours, remember us during our love troubles on the nineteenth, and protect those Cancers who have unwanted relatives dropping by.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it was too much to get rid of the prayer, but they do need to save space.  Perhaps the prayer and horoscope could be merged into a single feature?</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh Lord, help us in our financial endeavours, remember us during our love troubles on the nineteenth, and protect those Cancers who have unwanted relatives dropping by.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all well and good that the Indy Star is ditching its daily Prayer (which was tucked away on page 2 right next to the daily un-funny &quot;Chuckle&quot;, which survives).  

But I&#039;m looking at a copy on my table right now, and it still has a prominent biblical quote centered right below the main masthead.  It&#039;s the first thing you see when you pick up an Indy Star: &quot;Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty&quot; II Corinthians 3:17.  

So if they&#039;re a newspaper and not a church, that quote would be the thing to remove.  Methinks Mr. Lockwood need not fret too much about religion losing its sway in these parts.  Time for a letter to the editor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all well and good that the Indy Star is ditching its daily Prayer (which was tucked away on page 2 right next to the daily un-funny &#8220;Chuckle&#8221;, which survives).  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m looking at a copy on my table right now, and it still has a prominent biblical quote centered right below the main masthead.  It&#8217;s the first thing you see when you pick up an Indy Star: &#8220;Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty&#8221; II Corinthians 3:17.  </p>
<p>So if they&#8217;re a newspaper and not a church, that quote would be the thing to remove.  Methinks Mr. Lockwood need not fret too much about religion losing its sway in these parts.  Time for a letter to the editor!</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12 astrologic signs...12 tribes of Israel...12 disciples.  Coincidence?  Not according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/twelve.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; and others. (The one linked is a skeptical site, though it&#039;s hard to tell that till the end).  

The linked page helpfully quotes from the book The Jesus Mysteries by Freke &amp; Gandy (whose claims should be taken with about 12 grains of salt): &quot;Jesus surrounds himself with 12 disciples. This is usually taken to be symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel. This notion of 12 tribes, however, is itself a symbolic reference to the 12 signs of the zodiac in Babylonian astrology, which the Jews adopted whilst in exile in Babylon. The zodiac was an extremely important symbol in the Pagan world.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12 astrologic signs&#8230;12 tribes of Israel&#8230;12 disciples.  Coincidence?  Not according to <a href="http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/twelve.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a> and others. (The one linked is a skeptical site, though it&#8217;s hard to tell that till the end).  </p>
<p>The linked page helpfully quotes from the book The Jesus Mysteries by Freke &amp; Gandy (whose claims should be taken with about 12 grains of salt): &#8220;Jesus surrounds himself with 12 disciples. This is usually taken to be symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel. This notion of 12 tribes, however, is itself a symbolic reference to the 12 signs of the zodiac in Babylonian astrology, which the Jews adopted whilst in exile in Babylon. The zodiac was an extremely important symbol in the Pagan world.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians used to widely believe in &quot;pagan&quot; astrology ever since they adapted &quot;pagan&quot; natural philosophy into Christian doctrine. Galileo was an astrologer. The whole science of astronomy was once founded on the premise that one needed to know how to locate the planets at a particular time in the past or the future in order to cast horoscopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians used to widely believe in &#8220;pagan&#8221; astrology ever since they adapted &#8220;pagan&#8221; natural philosophy into Christian doctrine. Galileo was an astrologer. The whole science of astronomy was once founded on the premise that one needed to know how to locate the planets at a particular time in the past or the future in order to cast horoscopes.</p>
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