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	<title>Comments on: If Atheists Can&#8217;t Get Elected, Can We Get Appointed?</title>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/12/11/if-atheists-cant-get-elected-can-we-get-appointed/comment-page-1/#comment-266060</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are on the threshhold of another era of reason.  Too many people see that the wizard is just a guy behind the curtain.

I think atheists have recently mainstreamed like never before, and although there is a backlash (Hegelian antithesis) and religious extremists are home-schooling their children in growing numbers, I think a lot more children now smell a rat in religious doctrine and will feel free to question and join us.

I think there are a lot of closet atheists out there--or people who see religion as tradition and nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are on the threshhold of another era of reason.  Too many people see that the wizard is just a guy behind the curtain.</p>
<p>I think atheists have recently mainstreamed like never before, and although there is a backlash (Hegelian antithesis) and religious extremists are home-schooling their children in growing numbers, I think a lot more children now smell a rat in religious doctrine and will feel free to question and join us.</p>
<p>I think there are a lot of closet atheists out there&#8211;or people who see religion as tradition and nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin N</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/12/11/if-atheists-cant-get-elected-can-we-get-appointed/comment-page-1/#comment-251523</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a Nobel Laureate scientist as Energy Secretary now, one that supports the teaching of evolution in school. I can&#039;t find anything reliable that says that he&#039;s an atheist, but it&#039;s quite possible. Few scientists, especially decorated ones, have a conception of a personal god.

So perhaps we&#039;re appointable.

And yay! Pete Stark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a Nobel Laureate scientist as Energy Secretary now, one that supports the teaching of evolution in school. I can&#8217;t find anything reliable that says that he&#8217;s an atheist, but it&#8217;s quite possible. Few scientists, especially decorated ones, have a conception of a personal god.</p>
<p>So perhaps we&#8217;re appointable.</p>
<p>And yay! Pete Stark!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...or would that, too, be political suicide for the person making the decision? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, it would be suicide and I doubt that it will happen in the foreseeable future.  Guilt by association has become a prominently used weapon in negative election campaigns.  The Obama/Aires incident and the Kay Hagan/GAPAC incident are just two examples.  No matter how tenuous, any link with anyone who might be a political embarrassment will be used against a candidate.  Merely breathing the same air as someone with a political liability is a risk.  Just because it didn&#039;t work for Senator Dole doesn&#039;t mean that politicians will stop using any association with atheists against their opponents.

Because of this,&quot;vetting&quot; has also become an important factor in politics.  In this last campaign, insufficient background checks led to embarrassment for those making an appointment.  That scrutiny will only get more intense.  I doubt that even appointees for second and third level management positions in government departments will be spared this microscopic examination. &quot;Godlessness&quot; will be a disqualifying factor simply because it could come back years later to bite the elected official in the ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;or would that, too, be political suicide for the person making the decision? </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, it would be suicide and I doubt that it will happen in the foreseeable future.  Guilt by association has become a prominently used weapon in negative election campaigns.  The Obama/Aires incident and the Kay Hagan/GAPAC incident are just two examples.  No matter how tenuous, any link with anyone who might be a political embarrassment will be used against a candidate.  Merely breathing the same air as someone with a political liability is a risk.  Just because it didn&#8217;t work for Senator Dole doesn&#8217;t mean that politicians will stop using any association with atheists against their opponents.</p>
<p>Because of this,&#8221;vetting&#8221; has also become an important factor in politics.  In this last campaign, insufficient background checks led to embarrassment for those making an appointment.  That scrutiny will only get more intense.  I doubt that even appointees for second and third level management positions in government departments will be spared this microscopic examination. &#8220;Godlessness&#8221; will be a disqualifying factor simply because it could come back years later to bite the elected official in the ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Pete Stark.  He currently is the only openly godless congressman to run and win a seat.

So much for unelectable - still a long way to go, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Pete Stark.  He currently is the only openly godless congressman to run and win a seat.</p>
<p>So much for unelectable &#8211; still a long way to go, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>easier than electing for sure.
the common voter can say &quot;I won&#039;t vote for an atheist&quot; and be fine, but when a state legislature looks to approve the governor&#039;s pick to say the same would violate the constitution.  They would avoid the issue like the plague and focus on ability, which is what they should do anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>easier than electing for sure.<br />
the common voter can say &#8220;I won&#8217;t vote for an atheist&#8221; and be fine, but when a state legislature looks to approve the governor&#8217;s pick to say the same would violate the constitution.  They would avoid the issue like the plague and focus on ability, which is what they should do anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin jm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it could happen. The appointee would have to be a better-than-average candidate and the appointer would have to be near the end of his term or at least two years away from re-election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it could happen. The appointee would have to be a better-than-average candidate and the appointer would have to be near the end of his term or at least two years away from re-election.</p>
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		<title>By: valhar2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>valhar2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, much like it did for women when they first began to be allowed into politics, this sort of thing would require a particularly, extraordinarily good appointee.

Where a theist appointee&#039;s less egregious mistakes would be dismissed by most people with a shrug of the shoulders, an atheist appointee&#039;s mistakes would be used as &quot;irrefutable&quot; proof that atheists are not fit to do anything but the most menial jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, much like it did for women when they first began to be allowed into politics, this sort of thing would require a particularly, extraordinarily good appointee.</p>
<p>Where a theist appointee&#8217;s less egregious mistakes would be dismissed by most people with a shrug of the shoulders, an atheist appointee&#8217;s mistakes would be used as &#8220;irrefutable&#8221; proof that atheists are not fit to do anything but the most menial jobs.</p>
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