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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATL- this year for Thanksgiving, we went around and talked about what we are grateful for.  My mother actually started it.  She knows I am an atheist, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s why she did it.  You could, if asked to pray, talk about how grateful you are to, say, the people who got your dinner to the table, to the people who made your X-mas gifts, to the good weather (or the snow tires on your car).  Just ignore thanking a deity.  Or, be a brat and thank a different god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATL- this year for Thanksgiving, we went around and talked about what we are grateful for.  My mother actually started it.  She knows I am an atheist, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s why she did it.  You could, if asked to pray, talk about how grateful you are to, say, the people who got your dinner to the table, to the people who made your X-mas gifts, to the good weather (or the snow tires on your car).  Just ignore thanking a deity.  Or, be a brat and thank a different god.</p>
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		<title>By: Erp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For prayer you can try a moment of silence.  My family which is mostly atheistic takes a moment of silence to think of absent friends and family.   A moment of silence to think of that for which we should be thankful can be interpreted either theistically or atheistically (one can think of those people who have helped you in the previous year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For prayer you can try a moment of silence.  My family which is mostly atheistic takes a moment of silence to think of absent friends and family.   A moment of silence to think of that for which we should be thankful can be interpreted either theistically or atheistically (one can think of those people who have helped you in the previous year).</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family are Christians, but they&#039;ve always believed that celebrating religious holidays was a sin, but it was ok to celebrate the secular side of Christmas, so Christmas has always been a purely secular holiday for us and we never made a big deal about the Jesus stuff.  I have no problems when somebody wishes me a Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.  Christmas is pretty much a pagan holiday anyway.  

The only people I know of who take the religious part of Christmas seriously are the diehard Christians and there&#039;s only one atheist I&#039;ve known of who was fighting the &quot;war&quot; on Christmas.  The only problem I have with this &quot;war&quot; is when Christians insist you absolutely have to say Merry Christmas and act like it&#039;s some horrible sin to say Happy Holidays.  If you want to say Happy Holidays, I think you should be allowed to if you want, the same with Merry Christmas.  If Christians don&#039;t want people to take the phrase &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; as a big deal, they should stop treating it like a big deal themselves and just let people wish others what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family are Christians, but they&#8217;ve always believed that celebrating religious holidays was a sin, but it was ok to celebrate the secular side of Christmas, so Christmas has always been a purely secular holiday for us and we never made a big deal about the Jesus stuff.  I have no problems when somebody wishes me a Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays.  Christmas is pretty much a pagan holiday anyway.  </p>
<p>The only people I know of who take the religious part of Christmas seriously are the diehard Christians and there&#8217;s only one atheist I&#8217;ve known of who was fighting the &#8220;war&#8221; on Christmas.  The only problem I have with this &#8220;war&#8221; is when Christians insist you absolutely have to say Merry Christmas and act like it&#8217;s some horrible sin to say Happy Holidays.  If you want to say Happy Holidays, I think you should be allowed to if you want, the same with Merry Christmas.  If Christians don&#8217;t want people to take the phrase &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; as a big deal, they should stop treating it like a big deal themselves and just let people wish others what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much everyone I know knows I am an atheist, so if they are wishing me merry christmas and asking me to lead prayers, they are doing it to be buttheads (I seriously knew a girl who knew I was an atheist who wished me Merry Christmas for the whole month of December).  For strangers, I just smile and nod and ignore it.  However, I am opposed to state or taxpayer sponsored religious ceremonies.  They are free to celebrate if they want, but don&#039;t make me pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much everyone I know knows I am an atheist, so if they are wishing me merry christmas and asking me to lead prayers, they are doing it to be buttheads (I seriously knew a girl who knew I was an atheist who wished me Merry Christmas for the whole month of December).  For strangers, I just smile and nod and ignore it.  However, I am opposed to state or taxpayer sponsored religious ceremonies.  They are free to celebrate if they want, but don&#8217;t make me pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link and kind words, Hemant!

I&#039;m pretty open about my atheism, so I have yet to be asked to lead a dinner prayer. If I found myself in that situation, I&#039;d probably offer secular thanks to people that deserve it. Thank the family for being there and providing food, thank the doctors for our health, and the poles for keep the strippers from falling. 

Wait, your Thanksgiving doesn&#039;t have strippers? 

All joking aside, I have myself been guilty of feeling exasperation at those that want to pray, but I&#039;m only human. Wehn the decision comes to vent my exasperation or enjoy a nice meal with my family and friends, I tend to choose to enjoy the meal!

&quot;Fix: “show A little extra patience” - without the “a” the meaning changes completely&quot;

LOL I&#039;ll fix that! Good eye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link and kind words, Hemant!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty open about my atheism, so I have yet to be asked to lead a dinner prayer. If I found myself in that situation, I&#8217;d probably offer secular thanks to people that deserve it. Thank the family for being there and providing food, thank the doctors for our health, and the poles for keep the strippers from falling. </p>
<p>Wait, your Thanksgiving doesn&#8217;t have strippers? </p>
<p>All joking aside, I have myself been guilty of feeling exasperation at those that want to pray, but I&#8217;m only human. Wehn the decision comes to vent my exasperation or enjoy a nice meal with my family and friends, I tend to choose to enjoy the meal!</p>
<p>&#8220;Fix: “show A little extra patience” &#8211; without the “a” the meaning changes completely&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL I&#8217;ll fix that! Good eye!</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Wilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fix: &quot;show A little extra patience&quot; - without the &quot;a&quot; the meaning changes completely </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fix: &#8220;show A little extra patience&#8221; &#8211; without the &#8220;a&#8221; the meaning changes completely</p>
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		<title>By: Modern Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modern Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in a multicultural city with people of many religious paths than my own. I wouldn&#039;t get annoyed by a Jew, Buddhist or Hindu trying to participate in their religion (as long as I wasn&#039;t infrining on me) so I don&#039;t mind people who choose to get fully into the spirit of Christmas.

I do know of some Atheists and secularists who are bothered by all the Christmas propoganda. But from my experience, those people are the ones just developing their Atheist identity and are more sensitive to this vulnerability. I&#039;ve found that once people become most secure in their identity, they are bothered less by it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in a multicultural city with people of many religious paths than my own. I wouldn&#8217;t get annoyed by a Jew, Buddhist or Hindu trying to participate in their religion (as long as I wasn&#8217;t infrining on me) so I don&#8217;t mind people who choose to get fully into the spirit of Christmas.</p>
<p>I do know of some Atheists and secularists who are bothered by all the Christmas propoganda. But from my experience, those people are the ones just developing their Atheist identity and are more sensitive to this vulnerability. I&#8217;ve found that once people become most secure in their identity, they are bothered less by it all.</p>
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		<title>By: PShooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>PShooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice! I have always loved Christmas, so during my conversion to reality and reason I was worried I would loose this holiday. But having done some research I draw great happiness in knowing the whole celebration of Christmas was around centuries before Christians and they actually hijacked this holiday as their own! 
Happy Holidays everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice! I have always loved Christmas, so during my conversion to reality and reason I was worried I would loose this holiday. But having done some research I draw great happiness in knowing the whole celebration of Christmas was around centuries before Christians and they actually hijacked this holiday as their own!<br />
Happy Holidays everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tao Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tao Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What to do when asked to lead the prayer depends on the situation.  

If at all possible, avoid it ahead of time.  If you expect to be asked, try speaking with the host ahead of time.  Try to be positive and respectful, perhaps by suggesting that someone else really does want to do it.  

If caught off guard at the table and a &quot;no thanks,&quot; won&#039;t do the trick, do a toast.  Thank the hosts and the cook and focus on the family camaraderie of getting together for the holidays.  Don&#039;t pretend it&#039;s a prayer but don&#039;t go overboard making it obvious it isn&#039;t a prayer.  

Another idea may be to do a preemptive strike.  Do a toast before anyone has a chance to bring up prayer at all.  It&#039;s got to be a good one.  Have a definitive ending that segues nicely into eating.  Hopefully no one will even realize that they didn&#039;t pray.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Remember: axial tilt is the reason for the season.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I must remember this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to do when asked to lead the prayer depends on the situation.  </p>
<p>If at all possible, avoid it ahead of time.  If you expect to be asked, try speaking with the host ahead of time.  Try to be positive and respectful, perhaps by suggesting that someone else really does want to do it.  </p>
<p>If caught off guard at the table and a &#8220;no thanks,&#8221; won&#8217;t do the trick, do a toast.  Thank the hosts and the cook and focus on the family camaraderie of getting together for the holidays.  Don&#8217;t pretend it&#8217;s a prayer but don&#8217;t go overboard making it obvious it isn&#8217;t a prayer.  </p>
<p>Another idea may be to do a preemptive strike.  Do a toast before anyone has a chance to bring up prayer at all.  It&#8217;s got to be a good one.  Have a definitive ending that segues nicely into eating.  Hopefully no one will even realize that they didn&#8217;t pray.  </p>
<blockquote><p>“Remember: axial tilt is the reason for the season.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I must remember this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m curious. How does an atheist respond if they are asked to lead the prayer?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Depending on the collective sense of humour of those at the table, one &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; simply recite Ben Stiller&#039;s &#039;grace&#039; from &#039;Meet The Parents&#039;:

&lt;em&gt;&#039;O dear God,
thank You.
You are such a good God to us, a kind and gentle...
and accommodating God.
And we thank You, Osweet,
sweet...Lord of hosts...
for the...
smorgasbord...
You have so aptly lain at our table this day...
and each day... by day.
Day by day by day.
O dear Lord,
three things we pray.
To love Thee more dearly,
to see Thee more clearly,
to follow Thee more nearly...
day by day... by day.
Amen. Amen.&#039;&lt;/em&gt;

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m curious. How does an atheist respond if they are asked to lead the prayer?</p></blockquote>
<p>Depending on the collective sense of humour of those at the table, one <em>could</em> simply recite Ben Stiller&#8217;s &#8216;grace&#8217; from &#8216;Meet The Parents&#8217;:</p>
<p><em>&#8216;O dear God,<br />
thank You.<br />
You are such a good God to us, a kind and gentle&#8230;<br />
and accommodating God.<br />
And we thank You, Osweet,<br />
sweet&#8230;Lord of hosts&#8230;<br />
for the&#8230;<br />
smorgasbord&#8230;<br />
You have so aptly lain at our table this day&#8230;<br />
and each day&#8230; by day.<br />
Day by day by day.<br />
O dear Lord,<br />
three things we pray.<br />
To love Thee more dearly,<br />
to see Thee more clearly,<br />
to follow Thee more nearly&#8230;<br />
day by day&#8230; by day.<br />
Amen. Amen.&#8217;</em></p>
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