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	<title>Comments on: My Own Video Was Just Deleted From YouTube</title>
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		<title>By: Eden</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231973</link>
		<dc:creator>Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone filed a false DMCA notice, file a reply with YouTube. Then head to EFF.org and get more info on what you should do next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone filed a false DMCA notice, file a reply with YouTube. Then head to EFF.org and get more info on what you should do next.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231870</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 13:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need a new video sharing site that we can promote whatever videos we want. Perhaps Atheist Nexus could incorporate video sharing or something. Basically, if YouTube wants to maintain its policy (which it can) of removing videos that upset someone than we can go somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need a new video sharing site that we can promote whatever videos we want. Perhaps Atheist Nexus could incorporate video sharing or something. Basically, if YouTube wants to maintain its policy (which it can) of removing videos that upset someone than we can go somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahH</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231764</link>
		<dc:creator>SarahH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any real proof that this is a conscious effort by YouTube to censor?  I really doubt it.  Like I said before, this looks to me like lots of religious nitwits flagging these videos and getting them taken down automatically for review.

Once they&#039;re reviewed, I&#039;m pretty confident they&#039;ll be put back up.  If they&#039;re not and there&#039;s an actual response from YouTube (to a private query or in a public way) acknowledging the censorship, then I&#039;ll believe they&#039;ve gone &quot;evil&quot; - and until then, I&#039;m skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any real proof that this is a conscious effort by YouTube to censor?  I really doubt it.  Like I said before, this looks to me like lots of religious nitwits flagging these videos and getting them taken down automatically for review.</p>
<p>Once they&#8217;re reviewed, I&#8217;m pretty confident they&#8217;ll be put back up.  If they&#8217;re not and there&#8217;s an actual response from YouTube (to a private query or in a public way) acknowledging the censorship, then I&#8217;ll believe they&#8217;ve gone &#8220;evil&#8221; &#8211; and until then, I&#8217;m skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Spook</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231747</link>
		<dc:creator>Spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a reflection of something I&#039;ve been saying for a while;  Those who censor are cowards and are beneath contempt.  These cultists cannot stand to have their insanity challenged and instead of talking things over, they&#039;ll go out of their way to block any chance of conflicting information from getting out.

None of this surprises me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a reflection of something I&#8217;ve been saying for a while;  Those who censor are cowards and are beneath contempt.  These cultists cannot stand to have their insanity challenged and instead of talking things over, they&#8217;ll go out of their way to block any chance of conflicting information from getting out.</p>
<p>None of this surprises me.</p>
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		<title>By: OzAtheist</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231658</link>
		<dc:creator>OzAtheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s kinda funny that the company that based itself on &quot;NOT being evil&quot; (google) bought out youtube then started censoring everything on it.

So now google is so big (it&#039;s probably worth more than all the banks in America) it can&#039;t afford to upset all those religious nutjobs (and a few cranky big time musos). yeah right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kinda funny that the company that based itself on &#8220;NOT being evil&#8221; (google) bought out youtube then started censoring everything on it.</p>
<p>So now google is so big (it&#8217;s probably worth more than all the banks in America) it can&#8217;t afford to upset all those religious nutjobs (and a few cranky big time musos). yeah right!</p>
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		<title>By: Zorb the Sacred Crocodile</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231645</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorb the Sacred Crocodile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, my magnificent self, shall post a clip of my own glorious crucifixion on You-Tube and defy them to take it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, my magnificent self, shall post a clip of my own glorious crucifixion on You-Tube and defy them to take it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231636</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the West coast so it&#039;s not so late as it looks on the blog clock. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the West coast so it&#8217;s not so late as it looks on the blog clock. <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Richard,

How can you do so much research this late at night?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Richard,</p>
<p>How can you do so much research this late at night?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/10/02/my-own-video-was-just-deleted-from-youtube/comment-page-1/#comment-231627</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YouTube publishes its Community Guidelines &lt;a href=&quot;http://uk.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

They preface with:
&lt;blockquote&gt;We&#039;re not asking for the kind of respect reserved for nuns, the elderly, and brain surgeons. We mean don&#039;t abuse the site. Every cool new community feature on YouTube involves a certain level of trust. We trust you to be responsible, and millions of users respect that trust. Please be one of them.
Don&#039;t Cross the Line&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Then they list what they call &quot;common-sense rules&quot; that will help users &quot;steer clear of trouble,&quot; and for the most part I agree, prohibiting porn, shock stuff like accident scenes, unlawful material or copyright violations. One of the rules is this: (emphasis mine) 

&lt;blockquote&gt;* We encourage free speech and defend everyone’s right to express unpopular points of view. But we don’t permit &lt;strong&gt;hate speech&lt;/strong&gt; (speech which &lt;strong&gt;attacks or demeans a group based on&lt;/strong&gt; race or ethnic origin, &lt;strong&gt;religion&lt;/strong&gt;, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They conclude with this: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;We Enforce These Guidelines
Okay, this one is more about us than you. YouTube staff review flagged videos 24 hours a day, seven days a week to determine whether they violate our Community Guidelines. When they do, we remove them. Sometimes a video doesn’t violate our Community Guidelines, but may not be appropriate for everyone. These videos may be age-restricted. Accounts are penalized for Community Guidelines violations and serious or repeated violations can lead to account termination. If your account is terminated, you won’t be allowed to create any new accounts. For more information about how the Community Guidelines are enforced and the consequences of violating them, please visit the Help Center.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I was unable to find any more specific criteria for these guidelines, specifically what they mean by &quot;attack or demean.&quot;  That is so broad, vague and subjective that it allows any staff reviewer to censor entrirely by their personal agenda. &quot;Disagree&quot; to one person can be &quot;attack&quot; to another person.  &quot;Spoof&quot; to one is &quot;demean&quot; to another.  I found nothing about peer review for decisions to delete material.  Is there staff discussion on these decisions? Once one YouTube reviewer decides something is over the line is that it?  Maybe YouTube staff member Joe Truebeliever has the graveyard shift and he considers it his personal crusade to protect his creed from any and all &quot;attacks&quot; or &quot;demeaning&quot; in his opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YouTube publishes its Community Guidelines <a href="http://uk.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
<p>They preface with:</p>
<blockquote><p>We&#8217;re not asking for the kind of respect reserved for nuns, the elderly, and brain surgeons. We mean don&#8217;t abuse the site. Every cool new community feature on YouTube involves a certain level of trust. We trust you to be responsible, and millions of users respect that trust. Please be one of them.<br />
Don&#8217;t Cross the Line</p></blockquote>
<p>Then they list what they call &#8220;common-sense rules&#8221; that will help users &#8220;steer clear of trouble,&#8221; and for the most part I agree, prohibiting porn, shock stuff like accident scenes, unlawful material or copyright violations. One of the rules is this: (emphasis mine) </p>
<blockquote><p>* We encourage free speech and defend everyone’s right to express unpopular points of view. But we don’t permit <strong>hate speech</strong> (speech which <strong>attacks or demeans a group based on</strong> race or ethnic origin, <strong>religion</strong>, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity).</p></blockquote>
<p>They conclude with this: </p>
<blockquote><p>We Enforce These Guidelines<br />
Okay, this one is more about us than you. YouTube staff review flagged videos 24 hours a day, seven days a week to determine whether they violate our Community Guidelines. When they do, we remove them. Sometimes a video doesn’t violate our Community Guidelines, but may not be appropriate for everyone. These videos may be age-restricted. Accounts are penalized for Community Guidelines violations and serious or repeated violations can lead to account termination. If your account is terminated, you won’t be allowed to create any new accounts. For more information about how the Community Guidelines are enforced and the consequences of violating them, please visit the Help Center.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was unable to find any more specific criteria for these guidelines, specifically what they mean by &#8220;attack or demean.&#8221;  That is so broad, vague and subjective that it allows any staff reviewer to censor entrirely by their personal agenda. &#8220;Disagree&#8221; to one person can be &#8220;attack&#8221; to another person.  &#8220;Spoof&#8221; to one is &#8220;demean&#8221; to another.  I found nothing about peer review for decisions to delete material.  Is there staff discussion on these decisions? Once one YouTube reviewer decides something is over the line is that it?  Maybe YouTube staff member Joe Truebeliever has the graveyard shift and he considers it his personal crusade to protect his creed from any and all &#8220;attacks&#8221; or &#8220;demeaning&#8221; in his opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 06:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;</p>
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