Comments on: Attack on Muslims Should be Condemned By All of Us

By: Darryl

Darryl — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:21:57 +0000

James, listen to Polly. We don’t need to amplify the Christian Right’s paranoia.

By: Brainerd

Brainerd — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:21:49 +0000

As some of the readers may not recognize, if you follow the link now, it goes to the new story pointing not only do the police have no evidence of a hate crime, they seem to have little evidence of an actual attack. They did find a pepper spray canister nearby, but they couldn’t even find trace elements of pepper spray on the girl who made the accusation or in the room. Weird, huh?

If it is a hoax — and I just don’t know what happened here or not — then it wouldn’t be the first hoaxed anti-Muslim attack in the Dayton area.

Just sayin’.

By: Polly

Polly — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:00:14 +0000

@Richad,

Thanks for sharing. I agree with everything you said.
So, now, I’m feeling “convicted”, as I used to say, to do something helpful.

By: timbob

timbob — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:42:01 +0000

Given the multitude of religious wars on the front at the moment i would think it’s safe to say that damn near ALL of them are political films. you know a hundred years from now Iraq will be considered a Christian VS Islam engagement. It’s sad that it takes a hundred or so years for people to see things as they really were. When they’re not still caught up in the B.S. surrounding these events it’s easier to see them as they REALLY are.

By: Polly

Polly — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:25:56 +0000

@James,

Both films are good at exposing the violent nature of the dangerous religion of Islam.

I am amazed that atheists buy into the biases of Christianity. Xians see Islam as a threat mainly because their fairytales are competing. Why we should adopt the stance of favoring or denigrating one over the other is beyond me.

I haven’t seen any of these movies, but from what I’ve heard Fitna and Obsession are about as relevant to the practice of Islam by about a billion Muslims as a documentary of Fred Phelps is to Xianity – or the Old Testament is to Xianity and Judaism.

I doubt that “Religulous”, which I also can’t wait to see, fits into the same category as these hate-fueled, politically-driven hit pieces.

By: Tim Bob

Tim Bob — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:44:21 +0000

shouldn’t this be considered terrorism, isn’t that what the goal was, to terrorize. this should be getting heavy media coverage. Seriously even if this happend to an atheist group the coverage would be alarmingly more intense. I find it sickening that “assumption”—> because this is happening to muslims it is overlooked which passes on the implication of acceptablility. i do however find myself slightly offended at this comment –> “Interfaith Alliance calls on its members and friends, and all Americans who believe in religious freedom and all those who value religious liberty and equality to send a strong, unified message…” why are we still focusing on religion here, this was a crime against human beings, STOP INCLUDING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN THIS!!! I dont care who the hell you are or WHAT your beliefs are or if you even care about religous freedoms! If you are a HUMAN BEING you should be pissed off at what happend! If you live and breathe you should be appalled affiliated or not this is disgusting!

By: J. J. Ramsey

J. J. Ramsey — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:34:54 +0000

James: "Both films [Obsession and Fitna] are good at exposing the violent nature of the dangerous religion of Islam." Judging from what Taner Edis of Secular Outpost had to say, Obsession is mainly good at B.S. Fitna, IIRC, isn't any better.

By: Richard Wade

Richard Wade — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:12:22 +0000

I got this prompt reply from Stuart Bechman, President of Atheists United in Los Angeles:

Hi Richard, thank you for your e-mail.

I agree that this is the kind of thing that Atheists United should speak out
about. In fact, since it occurred in Ohio, I’m going to pass it on up to
Atheist Alliance International, of which we are a member, and have them also
send out a press release denouncing the attack. They will probably forward it
to the other secular groups on the board of the Secular Coalition for America.

Have you perchance signed up on our AU-ChurchState listgroup? That’s probably
the best place we have to post issues and rally for action around issues like
this. (It’s not just limited to violations of the First Amendment.) I’d love
to have you posting articles like this as they come up to the listgroup so our
advocacy subscribers can be aware and take action. You can sign up by sending a
blank e-mail to: AU-ChurchState-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

Thanks,
Stuart

By: Gabriel

Gabriel — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:09:57 +0000

I think that if a group of muslims had shot tear gas/pepper spray into a christian church it would have been called an act of terrorism and homeland security would have come in, arrested a few dozen non-whites and sent them to Guantanamo as enemy combatants. Denied them their rights to counsel, their rights to habeous corpus, their rights to a fair and speedy trial, etc.

By: James

James — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:08:08 +0000

Even if “Obsession” (or “Fitna” for that matter)didn’t play a part, what else can we expect once people start watching it in greater numbers? The film is being distributed in the mail mainly in swing states to influence the election to the benefit of McCain.

I don’t really buy that. Both films are good at exposing the violent nature of the dangerous religion of Islam. I’m very excited about Religulous coming out this weekend; is that movie going to be blamed for hate crimes as well?