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		<title>By: Moiz Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moiz Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a strong opponent of Islam and also a treasurer/founding member of a group of non-believers on a university campus...this is certainly not something I personally would do. It is being offensive for the sake of being offensive and accomplishes little, while probably pissing people who wouldn&#039;t necessarily be opposed to you...Its simply just creating a worse image of Atheists in general.

What I would rather support (and perhaps a better means for a similar goal) would be to organize a discussion/event that explores the concept of censorship and the so-called sacred. Explore the ideas, and perhaps you convince others...but do this, and turn people off who wouldn&#039;t otherwise be turned off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a strong opponent of Islam and also a treasurer/founding member of a group of non-believers on a university campus&#8230;this is certainly not something I personally would do. It is being offensive for the sake of being offensive and accomplishes little, while probably pissing people who wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be opposed to you&#8230;Its simply just creating a worse image of Atheists in general.</p>
<p>What I would rather support (and perhaps a better means for a similar goal) would be to organize a discussion/event that explores the concept of censorship and the so-called sacred. Explore the ideas, and perhaps you convince others&#8230;but do this, and turn people off who wouldn&#8217;t otherwise be turned off.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/09/17/draw-muhammad-win-100/comment-page-1/#comment-228585</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was PZ&#039;s &quot;desecration&quot; of a cracker &lt;i&gt;&quot;done with the sole intention to piss off religious people&quot;&lt;/i&gt;? Because this is exactly the same thing. It is a statement that says, &quot;you can&#039;t expect people of other religions, cultures, or even opinions, to hold your sacred symbols in the same regard you do.&quot; To believe it is rational to expect non-muslims to observe muslim rules, or non-christians to observe christian rules, is silly, and we need to keep pointing that out to people.

Also, after drawing a picture of Mohammed, if a Muslim threatens you, say, &quot;oops, I made a mistake. It&#039;s actually Jesus.&quot; You can piss off muslims and christians with the same project. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was PZ&#8217;s &#8220;desecration&#8221; of a cracker <i>&#8220;done with the sole intention to piss off religious people&#8221;</i>? Because this is exactly the same thing. It is a statement that says, &#8220;you can&#8217;t expect people of other religions, cultures, or even opinions, to hold your sacred symbols in the same regard you do.&#8221; To believe it is rational to expect non-muslims to observe muslim rules, or non-christians to observe christian rules, is silly, and we need to keep pointing that out to people.</p>
<p>Also, after drawing a picture of Mohammed, if a Muslim threatens you, say, &#8220;oops, I made a mistake. It&#8217;s actually Jesus.&#8221; You can piss off muslims and christians with the same project.<br />
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		<title>By: JimboB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimboB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious to see the muslim response to this contest.  Remember what happened when that British teacher named a harmless teddy bear &quot;Muhammad&quot; ?  It was an unintentional blasphemy, and she was eventually pardoned.  This drawing contest, by contrast, has an obvious intent.  I don&#039;t think muslims will take too kindly to it (even though I personally think they should lighten up.)

The group has every right to run the contest, and muslims have a right to be offended...  But what happens after that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious to see the muslim response to this contest.  Remember what happened when that British teacher named a harmless teddy bear &#8220;Muhammad&#8221; ?  It was an unintentional blasphemy, and she was eventually pardoned.  This drawing contest, by contrast, has an obvious intent.  I don&#8217;t think muslims will take too kindly to it (even though I personally think they should lighten up.)</p>
<p>The group has every right to run the contest, and muslims have a right to be offended&#8230;  But what happens after that?</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in favor of their contest. I think they should put up a set of rules for the judging of the art work but aside from that I think what they are doing is great. This isn&#039;t about atheism. This is about not being intimidated by violent fundamentalists. This should be open to anyone. Included chrisitians, jews, muslims, jains, etc. This is about the freedom of speech in a free country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in favor of their contest. I think they should put up a set of rules for the judging of the art work but aside from that I think what they are doing is great. This isn&#8217;t about atheism. This is about not being intimidated by violent fundamentalists. This should be open to anyone. Included chrisitians, jews, muslims, jains, etc. This is about the freedom of speech in a free country.</p>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/09/17/draw-muhammad-win-100/comment-page-1/#comment-228553</link>
		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wouldn&#039;t gay Jesus do? Jesus, total slut.

I&#039;m all for breaking down barriers but I don&#039;t have a death wish. They don&#039;t call it the religion of peace for nothing.

Hemant,

&lt;blockquote&gt;That said, we shouldn’t fear depicting or even mocking other faiths. There’s no reason religion should get a free pass from satire or criticism.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;re not another faith, we&#039;re not a worldview either. We mock the very idea of faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wouldn&#8217;t gay Jesus do? Jesus, total slut.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for breaking down barriers but I don&#8217;t have a death wish. They don&#8217;t call it the religion of peace for nothing.</p>
<p>Hemant,</p>
<blockquote><p>That said, we shouldn’t fear depicting or even mocking other faiths. There’s no reason religion should get a free pass from satire or criticism.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;re not another faith, we&#8217;re not a worldview either. We mock the very idea of faith.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/09/17/draw-muhammad-win-100/comment-page-1/#comment-228543</link>
		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some early illustrations of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/dantes_inferno/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dante&#039;s inferno&lt;/a&gt; showing Mohammed flashing his entrails and Virgil and Dante.  I&#039;ve got a copy of the Doré version at home.

Mohammed is a sower of discord apparently.  Bad Mohammed, naughty Mohammed.  Anyway, as such he was consigned to the Eighth level of Hell.  I wonder why God would treat one of his prophets so harshly.  Bad God, naughty God.

I like the Dali version too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some early illustrations of <a href="http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/dantes_inferno/" rel="nofollow">Dante&#8217;s inferno</a> showing Mohammed flashing his entrails and Virgil and Dante.  I&#8217;ve got a copy of the Doré version at home.</p>
<p>Mohammed is a sower of discord apparently.  Bad Mohammed, naughty Mohammed.  Anyway, as such he was consigned to the Eighth level of Hell.  I wonder why God would treat one of his prophets so harshly.  Bad God, naughty God.</p>
<p>I like the Dali version too.</p>
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		<title>By: David D.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While &quot;best&quot; could have been defined a bit, the only criterion I would have made sure to include would be that it should be a respectful depiction of Mohammed, not an inflammatory cartoon or whatever.

(Humor might be okay -- for instance, since nobody really knows what he looked like, one might draw a bearded man in a turban and robes wearing a very modern-looking nametag that says, &quot;HELLO!  My name is &lt;em&gt;Mohammed&lt;/em&gt;&quot; on his lapel, so we&#039;d know who he is -- but that&#039;s not disrespectful humor.)

The reason I would make that condition is that, while I still think that people should have every right to create even a disrespectful depiction of Mohammed, by this limitation, this organization would be limiting its current objective to just the issue of depicting Mohammed &lt;strong&gt;at all&lt;/strong&gt;, which is the most fundamental point (so to speak), and also that criterion would help make it easier to embarrass any Islamic organizations that might make any protests about &quot;defaming the Prophet&quot; or some such nonsense.


~David D.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While &#8220;best&#8221; could have been defined a bit, the only criterion I would have made sure to include would be that it should be a respectful depiction of Mohammed, not an inflammatory cartoon or whatever.</p>
<p>(Humor might be okay &#8212; for instance, since nobody really knows what he looked like, one might draw a bearded man in a turban and robes wearing a very modern-looking nametag that says, &#8220;HELLO!  My name is <em>Mohammed</em>&#8221; on his lapel, so we&#8217;d know who he is &#8212; but that&#8217;s not disrespectful humor.)</p>
<p>The reason I would make that condition is that, while I still think that people should have every right to create even a disrespectful depiction of Mohammed, by this limitation, this organization would be limiting its current objective to just the issue of depicting Mohammed <strong>at all</strong>, which is the most fundamental point (so to speak), and also that criterion would help make it easier to embarrass any Islamic organizations that might make any protests about &#8220;defaming the Prophet&#8221; or some such nonsense.</p>
<p>~David D.G.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Braden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Braden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allahu (Admiral) Ackbar

IT&#039;S A TRAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allahu (Admiral) Ackbar</p>
<p>IT&#8217;S A TRAP!</p>
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		<title>By: swizzlenuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>swizzlenuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would definitely join the group. I think the point isn&#039;t just to offend, but to make a point that there isn&#039;t any sacred cows. Since there isn&#039;t any person that is directly being harmed, like through slander, I have no problem with the idea. It reminds me of PZ and the cracker. 

I think Felcia hits it spot on though in her second paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would definitely join the group. I think the point isn&#8217;t just to offend, but to make a point that there isn&#8217;t any sacred cows. Since there isn&#8217;t any person that is directly being harmed, like through slander, I have no problem with the idea. It reminds me of PZ and the cracker. </p>
<p>I think Felcia hits it spot on though in her second paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia Gilljam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicia Gilljam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex and geru got it right. It is precisely BECAUSE of people&#039;s concerns of how offended muslims will be that this needs to be done. Don&#039;t get me wrong - I wouldn&#039;t dare. I&#039;m way, way too chicken do do something that I know is likely to get me at the very least some rather interesting hatemail.

Talking about &quot;rights&quot; needing to be tempered with &quot;responsibility&quot; and &quot;respect&quot; is advocating a seriously warped version of &quot;rights&quot;. It&#039;s the rhetoric used by those who want to reintroduce blasphemy laws. You might find the desecration of holy cows (of any kind) distasteful, but telling people they shouldn&#039;t do it because it&#039;s disrespectful just shows you&#039;ve misunderstood how &lt;i&gt;integral&lt;/i&gt; the freedom of speech/expression is to democracy. Freedom of speech is &lt;i&gt;intended&lt;/i&gt; to protect disrespectful, offensive stuff - no one cares about the other things you might say! You might not think you&#039;re trying to violate freedom of speech when asking people to act with some responsibility, but what the hell DO you think you&#039;re saying? &quot;Yeah we should all be ALLOWED to say what we want... but that doesn&#039;t mean we SHOULD&quot; just sounds very disingenious in my ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex and geru got it right. It is precisely BECAUSE of people&#8217;s concerns of how offended muslims will be that this needs to be done. Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t dare. I&#8217;m way, way too chicken do do something that I know is likely to get me at the very least some rather interesting hatemail.</p>
<p>Talking about &#8220;rights&#8221; needing to be tempered with &#8220;responsibility&#8221; and &#8220;respect&#8221; is advocating a seriously warped version of &#8220;rights&#8221;. It&#8217;s the rhetoric used by those who want to reintroduce blasphemy laws. You might find the desecration of holy cows (of any kind) distasteful, but telling people they shouldn&#8217;t do it because it&#8217;s disrespectful just shows you&#8217;ve misunderstood how <i>integral</i> the freedom of speech/expression is to democracy. Freedom of speech is <i>intended</i> to protect disrespectful, offensive stuff &#8211; no one cares about the other things you might say! You might not think you&#8217;re trying to violate freedom of speech when asking people to act with some responsibility, but what the hell DO you think you&#8217;re saying? &#8220;Yeah we should all be ALLOWED to say what we want&#8230; but that doesn&#8217;t mean we SHOULD&#8221; just sounds very disingenious in my ears.</p>
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