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	<title>Comments on: Even Some Christians Have a Problem with Sarah Palin</title>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/09/04/even-some-christians-have-a-problem-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-226834</link>
		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of tempting Hemant into running another series of Palin posts, I&#039;m posting this great comparison of SP with Islamic fundamentalists written by Juan Cole.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/09/09/palin_fundamentalist/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What&#039;s the difference between Palin and Muslim Fundies?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of tempting Hemant into running another series of Palin posts, I&#8217;m posting this great comparison of SP with Islamic fundamentalists written by Juan Cole.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/09/09/palin_fundamentalist/" rel="nofollow">What&#8217;s the difference between Palin and Muslim Fundies?</a></p>
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		<title>By: ATL-Apostate</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATL-Apostate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole SP thing does seem to be a bit of an obsession, both for Hemant and for Christian Fundamentalists.

FYI, someone made a nice thong with SP&#039;s face on it, available at CafePress. It&#039;s not too late to start your collection! I mean, she &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; better looking than Hillary.

Hemant, do you have a crush? It&#039;s ok man. It happens.
:-)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://mylongapostasy.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ATL-Apostate&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole SP thing does seem to be a bit of an obsession, both for Hemant and for Christian Fundamentalists.</p>
<p>FYI, someone made a nice thong with SP&#8217;s face on it, available at CafePress. It&#8217;s not too late to start your collection! I mean, she <em>is</em> better looking than Hillary.</p>
<p>Hemant, do you have a crush? It&#8217;s ok man. It happens.<br />
 <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://mylongapostasy.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">ATL-Apostate</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric R</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/09/04/even-some-christians-have-a-problem-with-sarah-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-226045</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Christian (albeit in many ways atypical), I watched Palin&#039;s speech as a confirmation of the worries I expressed several years ago in an essay published in the journal Logos. The essay, &quot;Christianity and Partisan Politics,&quot; argued that when Christianity becomes politicized it isn&#039;t just politics that suffers, but also Christianity (I think the same is true for religion in general).

I am puzzled by Scott&#039;s comment. The Christian group quoted here was not talking about what those human beings and communities which have self-identified as Christian have historically done, but about what the teachings of Jesus demand. That historic Christianity has consistently failed to live up to these teachings should come as a surprise to no one, least of all Christians. No community organized around lofty ideals, at least no enduring community that I know of, has succeeded in consistently living up to its principles. 

More deeply, we may ask to what extent the grievances that many have against &quot;religion&quot; vaguely conceived are really grievances against pervasive human failings that manifest everywhere, especially on the collective level. We may ask to what extent the evils of contemporary fundamentalism are the product of the pervasive human urge to divide the world into in-groups and out-groups, an urge that partisan politics tends to magnify. If (as I believe) an essential message of the Christian love ethic is that such in-group/out-group divisions are both dangerous and at odds with the fundamental nature of the divine (hence the injunction to love enemies), it becomes even more evident that Christianity should view engagement with partisan politics with grave suspicion. 

Sarah Palin&#039;s apparent delight in playing partisan politics indicates, I think, that the distinctive brand of Christianity to which she claims allegiance may be largely disconnected from the Christian love ethic, and hence from Christianity&#039;s ethical core. To the extent that her brand of Christianity amounts to the &quot;public face&quot; of American Christianity today, we find ourselves confronting the disturbing conclusion that what most people think of as Christianity today is largely divorced from what any careful look at Christian moral theology will reveal to be its ethical essence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Christian (albeit in many ways atypical), I watched Palin&#8217;s speech as a confirmation of the worries I expressed several years ago in an essay published in the journal Logos. The essay, &#8220;Christianity and Partisan Politics,&#8221; argued that when Christianity becomes politicized it isn&#8217;t just politics that suffers, but also Christianity (I think the same is true for religion in general).</p>
<p>I am puzzled by Scott&#8217;s comment. The Christian group quoted here was not talking about what those human beings and communities which have self-identified as Christian have historically done, but about what the teachings of Jesus demand. That historic Christianity has consistently failed to live up to these teachings should come as a surprise to no one, least of all Christians. No community organized around lofty ideals, at least no enduring community that I know of, has succeeded in consistently living up to its principles. </p>
<p>More deeply, we may ask to what extent the grievances that many have against &#8220;religion&#8221; vaguely conceived are really grievances against pervasive human failings that manifest everywhere, especially on the collective level. We may ask to what extent the evils of contemporary fundamentalism are the product of the pervasive human urge to divide the world into in-groups and out-groups, an urge that partisan politics tends to magnify. If (as I believe) an essential message of the Christian love ethic is that such in-group/out-group divisions are both dangerous and at odds with the fundamental nature of the divine (hence the injunction to love enemies), it becomes even more evident that Christianity should view engagement with partisan politics with grave suspicion. </p>
<p>Sarah Palin&#8217;s apparent delight in playing partisan politics indicates, I think, that the distinctive brand of Christianity to which she claims allegiance may be largely disconnected from the Christian love ethic, and hence from Christianity&#8217;s ethical core. To the extent that her brand of Christianity amounts to the &#8220;public face&#8221; of American Christianity today, we find ourselves confronting the disturbing conclusion that what most people think of as Christianity today is largely divorced from what any careful look at Christian moral theology will reveal to be its ethical essence.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but since when has christianity not been about lying when it was convenient for them.

I do agree that it is good that not all christians are fawning over her but I call bullshit on their &quot;christ should not be associated with lying&quot; crap.  Someone needs to get those people some history books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but since when has christianity not been about lying when it was convenient for them.</p>
<p>I do agree that it is good that not all christians are fawning over her but I call bullshit on their &#8220;christ should not be associated with lying&#8221; crap.  Someone needs to get those people some history books.</p>
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		<title>By: David D.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David D.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are definitely many Christians who are NOT hypocrites, and it&#039;s great to see a group of them being proactive in calling out prominent hypocritical Christians on their hypocrisy for a change, rather than just remaining silent.  Good for them!


~David D.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely many Christians who are NOT hypocrites, and it&#8217;s great to see a group of them being proactive in calling out prominent hypocritical Christians on their hypocrisy for a change, rather than just remaining silent.  Good for them!</p>
<p>~David D.G.</p>
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		<title>By: SarahH</title>
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		<dc:creator>SarahH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re obsessed.  As long as newsworthy events involving religion/politics continue to happen, I think you should keep covering them and offering your perspective.  The political scene is revolving around SP right now, and ignoring it isn&#039;t helpful.  I can only hope that more Christians focus on values like honesty and kindness while watching the election coverage.

I do think that people would call for McCain (or for that matter Obama or Biden) to stop empty, vicious attacks like this - if they were dishing them out.  Fred Thompson certainly acted atrociously during his convention speech as well, and it hasn&#039;t gone unnoticed.

The difference here is that he&#039;s out of the race - Palin is not, and she&#039;s behaving like the pit bull she compares herself to.  It&#039;s not helpful or respectable to deliver the kind of speech she gave - it&#039;s simply fueling angry fires without really offering any comfort or plans to the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re obsessed.  As long as newsworthy events involving religion/politics continue to happen, I think you should keep covering them and offering your perspective.  The political scene is revolving around SP right now, and ignoring it isn&#8217;t helpful.  I can only hope that more Christians focus on values like honesty and kindness while watching the election coverage.</p>
<p>I do think that people would call for McCain (or for that matter Obama or Biden) to stop empty, vicious attacks like this &#8211; if they were dishing them out.  Fred Thompson certainly acted atrociously during his convention speech as well, and it hasn&#8217;t gone unnoticed.</p>
<p>The difference here is that he&#8217;s out of the race &#8211; Palin is not, and she&#8217;s behaving like the pit bull she compares herself to.  It&#8217;s not helpful or respectable to deliver the kind of speech she gave &#8211; it&#8217;s simply fueling angry fires without really offering any comfort or plans to the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for them! Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I hope more religious people feel the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for them! Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I hope more religious people feel the same way.</p>
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		<title>By: NYCatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYCatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then you have gems like this one:

&quot;When I heard of McCains VP choice it brought a smile to my face;I looked upward and had a wink for God.Throughout her speech last night(that I missed wed. night service for, forgive me Lord)I had Holy Ghost chills running through my soul.I believe she had the Grace and anointence of The power of God during that convention and that He is raising her up to take the position of the Vice Presidency of the U.S. of America!
God Bless America,McCain,&amp; Palin.Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven &quot;
(Posted by Youtube user &quot;belovedgirltoHim&quot; on video &quot;W7S0VLUrjAE&quot;)

My sarcasm meter was wiggling, but then I saw the profile page.... hmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then you have gems like this one:</p>
<p>&#8220;When I heard of McCains VP choice it brought a smile to my face;I looked upward and had a wink for God.Throughout her speech last night(that I missed wed. night service for, forgive me Lord)I had Holy Ghost chills running through my soul.I believe she had the Grace and anointence of The power of God during that convention and that He is raising her up to take the position of the Vice Presidency of the U.S. of America!<br />
God Bless America,McCain,&amp; Palin.Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven &#8221;<br />
(Posted by Youtube user &#8220;belovedgirltoHim&#8221; on video &#8220;W7S0VLUrjAE&#8221;)</p>
<p>My sarcasm meter was wiggling, but then I saw the profile page&#8230;. hmm</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can count Erik as a Christian for Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count Erik as a Christian for Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to the Christians who are brave enough to speak up about the falsehoods of prominent political Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to the Christians who are brave enough to speak up about the falsehoods of prominent political Christians.</p>
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