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	<title>Comments on: Why Weren&#8217;t Atheists Invited to the Democratic National Committee&#8217;s Interfaith Gathering?</title>
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		<title>By: Lori Lipman holds her own on Colbert Report &#171; Doazic&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori Lipman holds her own on Colbert Report &#171; Doazic&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the blogosphere, PZ Myers has already summoned his minions, Friendly Atheist threw out some righteous indignation. This is not only bad politics, since they&#8217;ve managed to piss off 14% of the electorate; but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the blogosphere, PZ Myers has already summoned his minions, Friendly Atheist threw out some righteous indignation. This is not only bad politics, since they&#8217;ve managed to piss off 14% of the electorate; but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BlargenBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Letter to the Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlargenBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Letter to the Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first assignment in my composition class was to write a response to an editorial or to a letter to the editor.  My first choice was rather bland because there wasn&#8217;t much I was interested in responding to at the time.  Then I came across this turd while visiting friendlyatheist.com. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The first assignment in my composition class was to write a response to an editorial or to a letter to the editor.  My first choice was rather bland because there wasn&#8217;t much I was interested in responding to at the time.  Then I came across this turd while visiting friendlyatheist.com. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: H of Cashburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>H of Cashburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very good points have been made, I just have one comment, orthogonal to the discussion.  I think the use of expletives, although they convey the message emphatically, is unnecessary.  I know I will probably get many criticisms of this opinion, but I think it conveys an image of crassness, rather than freedom of verbal expression.  Just because I don&#039;t believe in a god doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t believe in common decency.  
 
&quot;Are you f***g kidding me?!&quot;

Was that actually necessary? Anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very good points have been made, I just have one comment, orthogonal to the discussion.  I think the use of expletives, although they convey the message emphatically, is unnecessary.  I know I will probably get many criticisms of this opinion, but I think it conveys an image of crassness, rather than freedom of verbal expression.  Just because I don&#8217;t believe in a god doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t believe in common decency.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Are you f***g kidding me?!&#8221;</p>
<p>Was that actually necessary? Anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayven Alandria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayven Alandria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This angered me so deeply that I will have to calm down before responding to the vitriol in that article. I cannot understand why people in this country think it&#039;s okay to speak about Atheists the way they do in that piece of garbage. If the word &quot;Atheists&quot; had been replaced with &quot;Muslim&quot; or some other group, lawsuits would be flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This angered me so deeply that I will have to calm down before responding to the vitriol in that article. I cannot understand why people in this country think it&#8217;s okay to speak about Atheists the way they do in that piece of garbage. If the word &#8220;Atheists&#8221; had been replaced with &#8220;Muslim&#8221; or some other group, lawsuits would be flying.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether atheists should have been invited to the Interfaith Gathering, people here who are saying or hinting that they will sit the election out or throw away their vote on a third party are foolish.  No, not foolish, they&#039;re idiots.

Are you a one issue voter? Is there no more dimension to you and your life than your atheism?  It&#039;s going to take generations to overcome the bigotry against atheists but in the meantime we are facing the very real threat of four to eight more years of the same bullshit ideological administration that has wiped its ass with the Constitution, reduced our freedoms and rights, bled us dry in a pack-of-lies war, ruined the environment, pushed civil rights back ten years, made the U.S the laughing stock of the world, lost us allies and made us more enemies.  Atheists invited to their silly faith fest or not, we can&#039;t afford another Republican plutocracy. 

I consider you people my friends but please get your heads out of your god-free asses and see the bigger picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether atheists should have been invited to the Interfaith Gathering, people here who are saying or hinting that they will sit the election out or throw away their vote on a third party are foolish.  No, not foolish, they&#8217;re idiots.</p>
<p>Are you a one issue voter? Is there no more dimension to you and your life than your atheism?  It&#8217;s going to take generations to overcome the bigotry against atheists but in the meantime we are facing the very real threat of four to eight more years of the same bullshit ideological administration that has wiped its ass with the Constitution, reduced our freedoms and rights, bled us dry in a pack-of-lies war, ruined the environment, pushed civil rights back ten years, made the U.S the laughing stock of the world, lost us allies and made us more enemies.  Atheists invited to their silly faith fest or not, we can&#8217;t afford another Republican plutocracy. </p>
<p>I consider you people my friends but please get your heads out of your god-free asses and see the bigger picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well sure...  From what I read, every night of the convention is begun with a religious speech... and God and Country talk&#039;s going to be everywhere.

The the point where the ADL has even spoken up about this being worrisome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sure&#8230;  From what I read, every night of the convention is begun with a religious speech&#8230; and God and Country talk&#8217;s going to be everywhere.</p>
<p>The the point where the ADL has even spoken up about this being worrisome.</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siamang,
Fair enough.  The problem is that the interfaith meeting was ever called to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siamang,<br />
Fair enough.  The problem is that the interfaith meeting was ever called to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siamang, I&#039;m feeling the same way these days.  But, I&#039;m more pessimistic than I think you are.  

This whole campaign--the whole political system we have--it&#039;s bullshit, pure bullshit.  It&#039;s a playground of the rich and powerful manipulators who don&#039;t give a shit about the little people like me.  There are lots of good folks doing the grunt work of government, sure, but too many get sucked into that corrupting machine and come out the other end thinking only of themselves.  Government service becomes just another job that doesn&#039;t mean anything.  At the top, where &quot;power politics&quot; is played, decisions get made that serve the interests of the big players, not of me.   

I haven&#039;t been represented in years, atheism aside. I have no voice.  Yet, I pay my taxes, I support the system like most people; I&#039;m part of the problem, but powerless to do anything about it.  I realize that what we have now is an insane mix of self-serving entities and people in the millions, all channeled and led around by a relative few parasites.  It&#039;s an absurd system that has gone out of control.  

It affects me, but I do not trust it, and I cannot depend upon it.  It&#039;s up to me to watch out for me--government no longer exists to protect and not restrict my liberty or to promote my welfare.  It cannot be trusted because those that inhabit its offices are not to be trusted.  I suppose I was a fool to ever believe in this or any form of government.  I guess I let myself believe that a primitive species like ours was capable of rational self-government.  We can do so much, but some things are beyond us.  

I am grateful that I wasn&#039;t born in some poor place where some warlord could just shoot me for his pleasure.  I have had my share of good in this country, but it is no &quot;city on a hill.&quot;  I chose twenty years ago to stop lying to myself about God; now I think I&#039;ll stop lying to myself about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siamang, I&#8217;m feeling the same way these days.  But, I&#8217;m more pessimistic than I think you are.  </p>
<p>This whole campaign&#8211;the whole political system we have&#8211;it&#8217;s bullshit, pure bullshit.  It&#8217;s a playground of the rich and powerful manipulators who don&#8217;t give a shit about the little people like me.  There are lots of good folks doing the grunt work of government, sure, but too many get sucked into that corrupting machine and come out the other end thinking only of themselves.  Government service becomes just another job that doesn&#8217;t mean anything.  At the top, where &#8220;power politics&#8221; is played, decisions get made that serve the interests of the big players, not of me.   </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been represented in years, atheism aside. I have no voice.  Yet, I pay my taxes, I support the system like most people; I&#8217;m part of the problem, but powerless to do anything about it.  I realize that what we have now is an insane mix of self-serving entities and people in the millions, all channeled and led around by a relative few parasites.  It&#8217;s an absurd system that has gone out of control.  </p>
<p>It affects me, but I do not trust it, and I cannot depend upon it.  It&#8217;s up to me to watch out for me&#8211;government no longer exists to protect and not restrict my liberty or to promote my welfare.  It cannot be trusted because those that inhabit its offices are not to be trusted.  I suppose I was a fool to ever believe in this or any form of government.  I guess I let myself believe that a primitive species like ours was capable of rational self-government.  We can do so much, but some things are beyond us.  </p>
<p>I am grateful that I wasn&#8217;t born in some poor place where some warlord could just shoot me for his pleasure.  I have had my share of good in this country, but it is no &#8220;city on a hill.&#8221;  I chose twenty years ago to stop lying to myself about God; now I think I&#8217;ll stop lying to myself about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There are plenty of legitimate reasons to exclude atheists from an “interfaith” gathering. I mean, in some respects atheism is just another religious category, and in other respects it isn’t. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s going on is that the Democrats are having a kickoff &quot;Unity and values&quot; meeting ahead of their convention.  They use the word &quot;Faith&quot; to head it up so that they can specifically exclude people with non-traditional beliefs, so that they can stroke the exceptionalists.

This is all about them trying to distance themselves from the secular left and pandering to those members of religions who think that secularists are evil.  And the SCA is laying a big turd in their punchbowl by making it visible and obvious that this is indeed what they&#039;re doing.  They hide behind weasel-words like &quot;unity&quot; and &quot;values&quot; when the meeting should really be called &quot;God Wants You to Vote Democrat, God, God, God of all Faiths, But Mostly Jesus, Obama, Jesus, Obama, A Vote for Obama Equals a Vote For Jesus, One Rally Under God, Rally For Faith, Unity, Faith and Jesus......huh, wha?  atheists?  nonbelievers?  ain&#039;t none of them in the dem party, noooo way....Rally&quot;.


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It’s hard to blame people for mixing all those respects up when even I have trouble keeping them straight.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, it&#039;s completely straight in this instance.  This is a pander parade, and we ain&#039;t invited.  Good on the SCA for calling attention to this.  I think it&#039;s pretty clear that we aren&#039;t welcome, and it&#039;s sheerly because our beliefs threaten the voters they want to court.


In the past I&#039;ve given hundreds of dollars to the democrats.  The Obama campaign and the DCCC keep sending me requests for money.  I gave hundreds to John Kerry&#039;s campaign and Howard Dean&#039;s, and to the local and congressional committes too, and I&#039;ve already contributed about a hundred or so to Obama.

No more.  Every time the dem&#039;s call to get more money from me, I&#039;m going to make sure they know why they&#039;re not getting one red cent this year.  Every dollar I was going to send to Obama&#039;s campaign is going to MSF, or Nothing but Nets, or Habitat, or the Sierra Club or the Valley Food Bank.  

It is CLEAR, that once again I am not welcome.  Can you IMAGINE if they had a &quot;Families and Communities&quot; rally and deliberately excluded gays?  Especially once it became clear, as this is, that the rally only EXISTS in order to distance the party from the minority movement all the better to pander to those who hate us?

I&#039;m fucking serious about this... If it&#039;s close in  California, I&#039;ll hold my nose and vote for Obama, but that&#039;s it.  My money is where it&#039;ll do good for human beings in need, and not to put people in power who seek to take away my voice.

I said GOOD DAY!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There are plenty of legitimate reasons to exclude atheists from an “interfaith” gathering. I mean, in some respects atheism is just another religious category, and in other respects it isn’t. </p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s going on is that the Democrats are having a kickoff &#8220;Unity and values&#8221; meeting ahead of their convention.  They use the word &#8220;Faith&#8221; to head it up so that they can specifically exclude people with non-traditional beliefs, so that they can stroke the exceptionalists.</p>
<p>This is all about them trying to distance themselves from the secular left and pandering to those members of religions who think that secularists are evil.  And the SCA is laying a big turd in their punchbowl by making it visible and obvious that this is indeed what they&#8217;re doing.  They hide behind weasel-words like &#8220;unity&#8221; and &#8220;values&#8221; when the meeting should really be called &#8220;God Wants You to Vote Democrat, God, God, God of all Faiths, But Mostly Jesus, Obama, Jesus, Obama, A Vote for Obama Equals a Vote For Jesus, One Rally Under God, Rally For Faith, Unity, Faith and Jesus&#8230;&#8230;huh, wha?  atheists?  nonbelievers?  ain&#8217;t none of them in the dem party, noooo way&#8230;.Rally&#8221;.</p>
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It’s hard to blame people for mixing all those respects up when even I have trouble keeping them straight.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s completely straight in this instance.  This is a pander parade, and we ain&#8217;t invited.  Good on the SCA for calling attention to this.  I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that we aren&#8217;t welcome, and it&#8217;s sheerly because our beliefs threaten the voters they want to court.</p>
<p>In the past I&#8217;ve given hundreds of dollars to the democrats.  The Obama campaign and the DCCC keep sending me requests for money.  I gave hundreds to John Kerry&#8217;s campaign and Howard Dean&#8217;s, and to the local and congressional committes too, and I&#8217;ve already contributed about a hundred or so to Obama.</p>
<p>No more.  Every time the dem&#8217;s call to get more money from me, I&#8217;m going to make sure they know why they&#8217;re not getting one red cent this year.  Every dollar I was going to send to Obama&#8217;s campaign is going to MSF, or Nothing but Nets, or Habitat, or the Sierra Club or the Valley Food Bank.  </p>
<p>It is CLEAR, that once again I am not welcome.  Can you IMAGINE if they had a &#8220;Families and Communities&#8221; rally and deliberately excluded gays?  Especially once it became clear, as this is, that the rally only EXISTS in order to distance the party from the minority movement all the better to pander to those who hate us?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fucking serious about this&#8230; If it&#8217;s close in  California, I&#8217;ll hold my nose and vote for Obama, but that&#8217;s it.  My money is where it&#8217;ll do good for human beings in need, and not to put people in power who seek to take away my voice.</p>
<p>I said GOOD DAY!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Spork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grimalkin...whoops!  I read too quickly while hopped up on cold meds this morning.  I didn&#039;t realize this was the DNC.  Given some of Obama&#039;s recent statements regarding the inclusion of those without faith, I now agree that this is an offense worth getting upset over.

My apologies for my oversight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grimalkin&#8230;whoops!  I read too quickly while hopped up on cold meds this morning.  I didn&#8217;t realize this was the DNC.  Given some of Obama&#8217;s recent statements regarding the inclusion of those without faith, I now agree that this is an offense worth getting upset over.</p>
<p>My apologies for my oversight.</p>
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