All the big religions kill and justify it. Nations kill for a variety of reasons. Look at how many people we’re killing these days.

Most ignorant people are dangerous no matter what they believe or where they live.

There are peaceful Muslims and there are unpeaceful ones. Just like moderate to liberal Christians, moderate Muslims can overlook the nastier parts of the Koran when they preach and practice their faith.

This kind of thing is not helpful.

The Daily Mail : xenophobia as

A. chocolate : vanilla

B. Starsky : Hutch

C. mass : gravitation

D. Kingdom of the Netherlands : orange

The correct answer is C. Please remember to use a #2 pencil, and fill in the oval completely.

Also, they need to hire a copy editor. Re-read the caption under the 25 per cent statistic in the right column.

No kings,

Robert

A link to the study is in my post – http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Their holy books represent all of the bad being sought in the survey. The survey only matters in showing how many muslims polled really understand their religion or have read the koran and other canon.

It is false to think that if enough average citizen-type-muslims think they are peaceful…then they are. They do not move their followers…they do not call for martyrs…it is the leaders.

Poll the religious leaders and others in the middle east. See how they answer. I assure you the results would be in line with what islam is really about…a murderous, warlike and intolerant religion that regards human life far below it’s own self.

For example…if you lived in a country where women can be executed based merely on accusations of their husbands…you would say that is not a peaceful or good place. Since that is in perfect line with islam…to them it is as it should be…and they cannot seem to understand why we are all afrronted by them…except that we are indifels…so that is the reason…and we should die too! hehe.

Islam is not a religion of peace. Any muslim who is practicing a version that is peaceful…either has not read his holy book or has chosen to only believe certain parts (just like christians had to start doing to escape what the church really stands for…the dark ages showed the christian church in it’s biblically supported glory). There is simply too much in their holy books and in their deeds throughout history to begin to accept any kind peaceful view of islam. They are not at all.

Even if these numbers are a bit exaggerated, which may or may not be the case, it should be chilling that anyone could justify killing another person in the name of religion.

I recently had a conversation online with a student at a Catholic university about the wafergate thing, and in the middle of the conversation he expressed the following idea:

“If the Eucharist is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ should death be out of the question for those who desecrate it?”

I found it absolutely chilling. He made it clear that he eschewed violence, and to be clear (please read the entire discussion to get the context) he wasn’t calling for anyone to actually use violence.

And yet. There was this …tinge… to the conversation that I heard from a number of Catholics during wafergate that really chilled me. Like they eschewed violence… but not exactly as forcefully as one might like. Like they were one note shy from complete condemnation…. you know?

In another post on his site, he wrote:

In the eyes of Catholics he hasn’t accomplished anything beyond sacrilege, and in the eyes of Muslims…well…let’s hope some of the more radical Muslims don’t find out about his hate crime. They very well could call for his death.

This was after he specifically brought up the Koran and asked if Myers would desecrate it by urinating on it or burning it.

Is it just me… or is this reaction just a bit on the creepy side?

And remember, to date Myers has gotten zero death threats from Muslims.

Anyway, I responded by saying that:

Sometimes I fear the religious, to be honest, and this is one of those times when I take pause and realize that folks will be nice and friendly and kind and gentle until you break one of their religious rules that, frankly I didn’t even know existed. Then they tear off the mask and it’s all 14th century back there.

EVEN though I was a believer at that time, the song (and the Biblical passages I was well acquainted with) turned my stomach. And this was in spite of the fact that my religion forced me to agree with everything god commanded.

Miko,
The Jews in Israel believe they are the chosen people. They have no problem killing infidels for their Holy Land. They use military equipment against a relatively lightly armed mostly civilian populace that they are trying to drive out because the book of Genesis says that YHWH gave the land to their patriarch. In case you doubt that religion plays a part, take a look at the message boards of some Israeli online papers.

The Religious Right in the US wants to start a war with Iran. They’ve even spoken of nuking the country. A country made up of 70 million people. And why? Because they’re mostly infidels, that’s LATIN (not Arabic) for non-believers. They value non-xian life less than xian.

Do a body count and tell me who the most violent people are?
3,000 dead at the world trade center is nothing compared to America’s and Britain’s civilian body count in their mid-east misadventures. But, our born again president would tell you that he prays about every decision.

The group of kids was an Israeli group.

So killing in the name of a deity is commonly accepted among theists.