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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/23/atheist-crusader-and-anti-atheist-bigot-make-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-207494</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDG:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure why Sherman gets to be an “atheist crusader” while Davis is an “anti-atheist bigot.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For anyone who knows anything about history, &quot;crusader&quot; is hardly a nice word to use to describe someone.  In fact, it&#039;s arguably worse than &quot;bigot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDG:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not sure why Sherman gets to be an “atheist crusader” while Davis is an “anti-atheist bigot.”</p></blockquote>
<p>For anyone who knows anything about history, &#8220;crusader&#8221; is hardly a nice word to use to describe someone.  In fact, it&#8217;s arguably worse than &#8220;bigot&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: benjdm</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/23/atheist-crusader-and-anti-atheist-bigot-make-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-207447</link>
		<dc:creator>benjdm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/07/peace-and-love.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment by Elaine&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Monique Davis of the 27th District is unopposed for re-election, according to the State Board of Elections website. Almost half of incumbent legislators seeking re-election are unopposed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a <a href="http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/07/peace-and-love.html" rel="nofollow">comment by Elaine</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Monique Davis of the 27th District is unopposed for re-election, according to the State Board of Elections website. Almost half of incumbent legislators seeking re-election are unopposed.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/23/atheist-crusader-and-anti-atheist-bigot-make-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-207082</link>
		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDG,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought several posters in the “negro” post combox did a good job of pointing out that it wasn’t just one word, but the whole context of Sherman’s comments, that made his remarks problematic. 

As one poster put it: “It doesn’t matter what word he chose to use. The fact is, he attributed a set of actions, beliefs or characteristics to a group of people that does not universally apply to them. That’s called stereotyping. His bigotry is just as bad as hers.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, on face value, I thought the same thing at the time. It was understandable to take Sherman&#039;s comments that way. I also suspected he didn&#039;t mean what he said. It looked like clumsy wording, I thought I knew what he actually meant.

However, I read an explanation later by Sherman that stated he meant something else, and I can see how he could have made a mistaken in his wording. It&#039;s a reasonable explanation. It would take some explanation to explain Davis&#039;s comments.

Not many people were making that point, they were hysterical about the word &quot;negro&quot; instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDG,</p>
<blockquote><p>I thought several posters in the “negro” post combox did a good job of pointing out that it wasn’t just one word, but the whole context of Sherman’s comments, that made his remarks problematic. </p>
<p>As one poster put it: “It doesn’t matter what word he chose to use. The fact is, he attributed a set of actions, beliefs or characteristics to a group of people that does not universally apply to them. That’s called stereotyping. His bigotry is just as bad as hers.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, on face value, I thought the same thing at the time. It was understandable to take Sherman&#8217;s comments that way. I also suspected he didn&#8217;t mean what he said. It looked like clumsy wording, I thought I knew what he actually meant.</p>
<p>However, I read an explanation later by Sherman that stated he meant something else, and I can see how he could have made a mistaken in his wording. It&#8217;s a reasonable explanation. It would take some explanation to explain Davis&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>Not many people were making that point, they were hysterical about the word &#8220;negro&#8221; instead.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aj,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Because Sherman is not a bigot for using a word marked on the naughty list in a culture he is not a part of, and claims he was ignorant of, meaning no offence to anyone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I thought several posters in the &quot;negro&quot; post combox did a good job of pointing out that it wasn&#039;t just one word, but the whole context of Sherman&#039;s comments, that made his remarks problematic. 

As &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/13/is-negro-a-slur/#comment-152046&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one poster&lt;/a&gt; put it: &quot;It doesn’t matter what word he chose to use. The fact is, he attributed a set of actions, beliefs or characteristics to a group of people that does not universally apply to them. That’s called stereotyping. His bigotry is just as bad as hers.&quot; 

FWIW, I&#039;m not defending Davis&#039;s comments. (In the case of the comment you cite, I&#039;m not sure &quot;bigoted&quot; is the best possible word, although it&#039;s obviously hostile and pedagogically reactionary as well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aj,</p>
<blockquote><p>Because Sherman is not a bigot for using a word marked on the naughty list in a culture he is not a part of, and claims he was ignorant of, meaning no offence to anyone.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought several posters in the &#8220;negro&#8221; post combox did a good job of pointing out that it wasn&#8217;t just one word, but the whole context of Sherman&#8217;s comments, that made his remarks problematic. </p>
<p>As <a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/13/is-negro-a-slur/#comment-152046" rel="nofollow">one poster</a> put it: &#8220;It doesn’t matter what word he chose to use. The fact is, he attributed a set of actions, beliefs or characteristics to a group of people that does not universally apply to them. That’s called stereotyping. His bigotry is just as bad as hers.&#8221; </p>
<p>FWIW, I&#8217;m not defending Davis&#8217;s comments. (In the case of the comment you cite, I&#8217;m not sure &#8220;bigoted&#8221; is the best possible word, although it&#8217;s obviously hostile and pedagogically reactionary as well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris (@ Fabulously in the City)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris (@ Fabulously in the City)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians are being recorded 24/7, so they all may say the wrong thing and not even realize it. If they&#039;ve forgiven each other and moved on...why can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians are being recorded 24/7, so they all may say the wrong thing and not even realize it. If they&#8217;ve forgiven each other and moved on&#8230;why can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDG,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m not sure why Sherman gets to be an “atheist crusader” while Davis is an “anti-atheist bigot.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because Sherman is not a bigot for using a word marked on the naughty list in a culture he is not a part of, and claims he was ignorant of, meaning no offence to anyone. I don&#039;t know Sherman, that&#039;s his story, I accepted it, seems reasonable, no one has given me reason not to.

People who care about words and not meaning are batshit, and they&#039;ve shown themselves to also be bigots in the comments you refer to. If you think Sherman is a racist or have any other accusations show me some freaking evidence or talk to the hand. Why is Davis a bigot? Because she says shit like this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...it’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDG,</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m not sure why Sherman gets to be an “atheist crusader” while Davis is an “anti-atheist bigot.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Because Sherman is not a bigot for using a word marked on the naughty list in a culture he is not a part of, and claims he was ignorant of, meaning no offence to anyone. I don&#8217;t know Sherman, that&#8217;s his story, I accepted it, seems reasonable, no one has given me reason not to.</p>
<p>People who care about words and not meaning are batshit, and they&#8217;ve shown themselves to also be bigots in the comments you refer to. If you think Sherman is a racist or have any other accusations show me some freaking evidence or talk to the hand. Why is Davis a bigot? Because she says shit like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;it’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: V Profane</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/23/atheist-crusader-and-anti-atheist-bigot-make-peace/comment-page-1/#comment-207018</link>
		<dc:creator>V Profane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She gave a typical politicians non-apology &#039;Sorry you got offended&#039;, &#039;Sorry you caught me saying it&#039;, not &#039;What I said was wrong, I apologise to you and all the atheists I&#039;ve insulted, especially the ones I&#039;m supposed to be representing&#039;.

Until she repudiates her hysterical statements regarding atheism, she should be considered unfit for office and quite aptly labelled a bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She gave a typical politicians non-apology &#8216;Sorry you got offended&#8217;, &#8216;Sorry you caught me saying it&#8217;, not &#8216;What I said was wrong, I apologise to you and all the atheists I&#8217;ve insulted, especially the ones I&#8217;m supposed to be representing&#8217;.</p>
<p>Until she repudiates her hysterical statements regarding atheism, she should be considered unfit for office and quite aptly labelled a bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: SDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does the word “bigot” really help? Yes, it’s true, but it’s not like either side in the theist-atheist controversy has a monopoly on non-bigotry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Indeed. In fact, as the comments in the &quot;negro&quot; combox bear out, the &quot;bigot&quot; label seems a particularly unfortunate word to apply solely to the theist side of the current equation. I&#039;m not sure why Sherman gets to be an &quot;atheist crusader&quot; while Davis is an &quot;anti-atheist bigot.&quot; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;I frankly applaud Sherman and Davis for reconciling personally despite such opposing belief systems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Absolutely. Let&#039;s see more of this, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does the word “bigot” really help? Yes, it’s true, but it’s not like either side in the theist-atheist controversy has a monopoly on non-bigotry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. In fact, as the comments in the &#8220;negro&#8221; combox bear out, the &#8220;bigot&#8221; label seems a particularly unfortunate word to apply solely to the theist side of the current equation. I&#8217;m not sure why Sherman gets to be an &#8220;atheist crusader&#8221; while Davis is an &#8220;anti-atheist bigot.&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p>I frankly applaud Sherman and Davis for reconciling personally despite such opposing belief systems.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. Let&#8217;s see more of this, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the word &quot;bigot&quot; really help?  Yes, it&#039;s true, but it&#039;s not like either side in the theist-atheist controversy has a monopoly on non-bigotry.  

I frankly applaud Sherman and Davis for reconciling personally despite such opposing belief systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the word &#8220;bigot&#8221; really help?  Yes, it&#8217;s true, but it&#8217;s not like either side in the theist-atheist controversy has a monopoly on non-bigotry.  </p>
<p>I frankly applaud Sherman and Davis for reconciling personally despite such opposing belief systems.</p>
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