Comments on: Wafergate http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/ Atheism with Positivity Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:59:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: CFI response to Wafergate « Terahertz http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-216152 CFI response to Wafergate « Terahertz Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:26:22 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-216152 [...] Published 5 August 2008 Atheism , Links , Religion After all the hoopala around Webster Cook and the Wafergate incident, the Centre for Inquiry has drafted letters in response.  John C. Hitt is the president of the [...] [...] Published 5 August 2008 Atheism , Links , Religion After all the hoopala around Webster Cook and the Wafergate incident, the Centre for Inquiry has drafted letters in response.  John C. Hitt is the president of the [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » 2008 » July » 24 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-207984 Friendly Atheist » 2008 » July » 24 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-207984 [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...] [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » 2008 » July » 24 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-207985 Friendly Atheist » 2008 » July » 24 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:40:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-207985 [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...] [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Cracker Attacker http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-207979 Friendly Atheist » Cracker Attacker Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:31:32 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-207979 [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...] [...] A nice way to (attempt to) end Wafergate. [...]

]]> By: SDG http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-206309 SDG Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:57:29 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-206309 A lot of the support for Myers' proposed threats seems to center on disproportionate responses of some Catholics, including death threats (? has there been more than one confirmed threat of violence, from a guy who later said he didn't mean it and apologized?), hate mail, Bill Donohue, etc. Some posters have commented how much better it would be if Catholics from the beginning (re. Cook) had responded more moderately and rationally. I agree, and many Catholics would agree, that moderate and rational responses are both more appropriate and more helpful than stupid or hateful ones. The vast majority of Catholics, certainly including the hierarchy, would condemn and reject death threats... remember Cardinal O'Connor saying "Shoot me first" to would-be abortion clinic shooters. There are lots of ordinary Catholics for whom the hate mailers do not speak. Myers' proposed actions cannot be thought of as particularly targeting, punishing, satirizing or exposing ignorant and violent people. A lot of the support for Myers’ proposed threats seems to center on disproportionate responses of some Catholics, including death threats (? has there been more than one confirmed threat of violence, from a guy who later said he didn’t mean it and apologized?), hate mail, Bill Donohue, etc. Some posters have commented how much better it would be if Catholics from the beginning (re. Cook) had responded more moderately and rationally.

I agree, and many Catholics would agree, that moderate and rational responses are both more appropriate and more helpful than stupid or hateful ones. The vast majority of Catholics, certainly including the hierarchy, would condemn and reject death threats… remember Cardinal O’Connor saying “Shoot me first” to would-be abortion clinic shooters. There are lots of ordinary Catholics for whom the hate mailers do not speak. Myers’ proposed actions cannot be thought of as particularly targeting, punishing, satirizing or exposing ignorant and violent people.

]]> By: James McGrath http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-204071 James McGrath Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:34:17 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-204071 Just in case anyone is interested, here's a Biblical studies perspective on the subject: http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-jesus-contend-with-p-z-myers.html Just in case anyone is interested, here’s a Biblical studies perspective on the subject:

http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/07/let-jesus-contend-with-p-z-myers.html

]]> By: Hugo http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-203142 Hugo Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:25:47 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-203142 Hermant, Tim Van Haitsma, I have an even better challenge: Suppose I have 2 crackers, one is an ordinary one straight out of the box (it was raining, so some water may have fallen on that cracker), the other has undergone transubstantiation in a church by a priest If any catholic can tell me how <strong>I</strong> will be able to distinguish one from the other I will publicly convert to catholicism and send a letter to the pope stating that I was wrong and that atheism is bunk. (also that catholic should still be entitled to the JREF $1million) <a href="http://hugotheatheist.blogspot.com/2008/07/challenge-for-catholics.html" rel="nofollow">post on my blog</a> Hermant, Tim Van Haitsma, I have an even better challenge:

Suppose I have 2 crackers, one is an ordinary one straight out of the box (it was raining, so some water may have fallen on that cracker), the other has undergone transubstantiation in a church by a priest

If any catholic can tell me how I will be able to distinguish one from the other I will publicly convert to catholicism and send a letter to the pope stating that I was wrong and that atheism is bunk.

(also that catholic should still be entitled to the JREF $1million)

post on my blog

]]> By: bullet http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-202052 bullet Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:33:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-202052 Making fun of religion and the religious is fine. Making fun of Texas and Texans is fine, too. Pissing on the Alamo is not fine. Forget the legality, it's just poor form. Some people would disagree. I would say those people are cretins. A certain level of decorum should be maintained by people who consider themselves occupying the "high ground". Intentionally and maliciously attacking a symbol is for artists and politicians, not scientists. Poor form, indeed. That would be the in the case of <i>actual and public</i> "desecration" of a communion wafer, not just threatening to do it. Plus, fuck Bill Donohue. Making fun of religion and the religious is fine. Making fun of Texas and Texans is fine, too. Pissing on the Alamo is not fine. Forget the legality, it’s just poor form. Some people would disagree. I would say those people are cretins. A certain level of decorum should be maintained by people who consider themselves occupying the “high ground”.

Intentionally and maliciously attacking a symbol is for artists and politicians, not scientists. Poor form, indeed.

That would be the in the case of actual and public “desecration” of a communion wafer, not just threatening to do it.

Plus, fuck Bill Donohue.

]]> By: radical sapphoq http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-201320 radical sapphoq Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:06:09 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-201320 Webster Cook gave the Heisted Hostaged Host back. Perhaps it can be sold at auction and the monies used to pay off a few of the lawsuits brought on by the folks who were sexually abused by (a minority of) Roman Catholic priests when they were kids. spike Webster Cook gave the Heisted Hostaged Host back. Perhaps it can be sold at auction and the monies used to pay off a few of the lawsuits brought on by the folks who were sexually abused by (a minority of) Roman Catholic priests when they were kids.

spike

]]> By: Kyle http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/comment-page-3/#comment-201179 Kyle Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:58:44 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/07/10/wafergate/#comment-201179 Sometimes emotional harm is necessary. I contend that putting someone through forced drug withdrawals causes emotional and physical harm. Yet, no one is going to argue that it isn't for the better. Likewise, all that is happening is detoxing someone's belief. And no one has really, truly mentioned the flip side to all of this. If the cracker is so sacred, then they are willfully admitting they are cannibals. That's an even bigger issue. And then the ties with drug withdrawals works even better. Sometimes emotional harm is necessary. I contend that putting someone through forced drug withdrawals causes emotional and physical harm. Yet, no one is going to argue that it isn’t for the better.

Likewise, all that is happening is detoxing someone’s belief. And no one has really, truly mentioned the flip side to all of this. If the cracker is so sacred, then they are willfully admitting they are cannibals. That’s an even bigger issue. And then the ties with drug withdrawals works even better.

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