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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I stopped believing way before I read this:

“It’s true, that which I have revealed to you: there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all A Dream, a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but You. And You are but a Thought-a vagrant Thought, a useless Thought, a homeless Thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow, that is the saddest, most pessimistic thing I&#039;ve heard lately.  

I&#039;m really sorry you feel that way, but consider the following statement which my 14-year-old son told me just the other day:

&quot;I used to be afraid of death.  I was frightened by the thought of you guys (mom and dad) getting old and dying.  But I now realize that everyone must die.  How can I live if I&#039;m always in fear of dying?   I really think that if you believe there is nothing after death, then there will be nothing.  I think that whatever you believe becomes your truth.&quot;  

I learn so much from my own kids...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I stopped believing way before I read this:</p>
<p>“It’s true, that which I have revealed to you: there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all A Dream, a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but You. And You are but a Thought-a vagrant Thought, a useless Thought, a homeless Thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!”</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, that is the saddest, most pessimistic thing I&#8217;ve heard lately.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sorry you feel that way, but consider the following statement which my 14-year-old son told me just the other day:</p>
<p>&#8220;I used to be afraid of death.  I was frightened by the thought of you guys (mom and dad) getting old and dying.  But I now realize that everyone must die.  How can I live if I&#8217;m always in fear of dying?   I really think that if you believe there is nothing after death, then there will be nothing.  I think that whatever you believe becomes your truth.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I learn so much from my own kids&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped believing way before I read this:

&quot;It&#039;s true, that which I have revealed to you: there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all A Dream, a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but You. And You are but a &lt;em&gt;Thought&lt;/em&gt;-a vagrant Thought, a useless Thought, a homeless Thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!&quot;

-No .44 The mysterious stranger, Mark Twain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped believing way before I read this:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s true, that which I have revealed to you: there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all A Dream, a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but You. And You are but a <em>Thought</em>-a vagrant Thought, a useless Thought, a homeless Thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!&#8221;</p>
<p>-No .44 The mysterious stranger, Mark Twain</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/14/your-moment-of-unbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-165722</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 07:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chocoholic said,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why don’t you post some stuff against other religions here? Christianity is not the only religion in the world, so it’s about time you post the lies of Islam, Hindu, Shinto, Judaism, Confucianism etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt; It&#039;s  not the only one?!?!?!

Seriously, we would if we had the background.  Most of this blogs&#039; readers and posters are from the US, a christian-dominated country. Even though it isn&#039;t supposed to be a religious state, it sometimes feels like one. We write about what we know.  

I do wish we had more people with different backgrounds like yours to join in the conversation and fill in the blanks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chocoholic said,</p>
<blockquote><p>Why don’t you post some stuff against other religions here? Christianity is not the only religion in the world, so it’s about time you post the lies of Islam, Hindu, Shinto, Judaism, Confucianism etc.</p></blockquote>
<p> It&#8217;s  not the only one?!?!?!</p>
<p>Seriously, we would if we had the background.  Most of this blogs&#8217; readers and posters are from the US, a christian-dominated country. Even though it isn&#8217;t supposed to be a religious state, it sometimes feels like one. We write about what we know.  </p>
<p>I do wish we had more people with different backgrounds like yours to join in the conversation and fill in the blanks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: GentlePath</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/14/your-moment-of-unbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-165414</link>
		<dc:creator>GentlePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/blockquote&gt;“If everyone here would give permission — this would make a good book. Something like a big coffee table book with cool photos that artistically relate to the words.”

I like the idea… do I get a cut? LOL&lt;blockquote&gt;

Of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If everyone here would give permission — this would make a good book. Something like a big coffee table book with cool photos that artistically relate to the words.”</p>
<p>I like the idea… do I get a cut? LOL<br />
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<p>Of course!</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Eelco</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/14/your-moment-of-unbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-165327</link>
		<dc:creator>Eelco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was about 8 or 9 I was praying one night when I realized that I really wasn&#039;t doing this because other people (my teachers) were telling me too. And then all the doubts I&#039;ve had, like why would this God be so pathetic as to even care about who believes in him (her?) or not, and if it is so important why not equip us with the right brains for the jobs etc, and that big question &#039;but who created god&#039;, that all came together and I realized it christianity was just a bunch of crap.

I&#039;ve always thought that the rest of the world would figure out pretty soon with education and average wealth on the rise. Alas, it seems to go the other way, even in Europe (where both Christianity and Islam are strongly on the rise).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was about 8 or 9 I was praying one night when I realized that I really wasn&#8217;t doing this because other people (my teachers) were telling me too. And then all the doubts I&#8217;ve had, like why would this God be so pathetic as to even care about who believes in him (her?) or not, and if it is so important why not equip us with the right brains for the jobs etc, and that big question &#8216;but who created god&#8217;, that all came together and I realized it christianity was just a bunch of crap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that the rest of the world would figure out pretty soon with education and average wealth on the rise. Alas, it seems to go the other way, even in Europe (where both Christianity and Islam are strongly on the rise).</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one still hurts.

I worked for a small Catholic college.  My supervisor, much younger than me, and I became close friends.  When she had to go into the hospital with kidney problems or when she decided to attend night classes, I looked after her dog, collected the mail, etc.  When she had to go for nasty gastro tests, I drove her there and made sure she got home safely.  When she and her husband found themselves stranded after a car breakdown 100 miles from home, I drove up to bring them back.  I was told many times that Jesus wanted to talk with me.  I resisted because she had become heavily involved in the &quot;Jews for Jesus movement,&quot; and had told me a couple of times that she was worried about my soul.  I assured her that I was not.  I was and am aware that I am a kind and nonjudgmental human being who doesn&#039;t particularly like organized religion.

She had encouraged me to take on more job responsibilities and told me several times about the promotion I would receive.  One day. after lunch with school clients, she announced in a staff meeting that she had hired a search agency to find someone to fill the job which she assured me would be mine.  I had to approach her after the meeting and ask.  Her response was, &quot;Jesus told me that you don&#039;t belong here anymore.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one still hurts.</p>
<p>I worked for a small Catholic college.  My supervisor, much younger than me, and I became close friends.  When she had to go into the hospital with kidney problems or when she decided to attend night classes, I looked after her dog, collected the mail, etc.  When she had to go for nasty gastro tests, I drove her there and made sure she got home safely.  When she and her husband found themselves stranded after a car breakdown 100 miles from home, I drove up to bring them back.  I was told many times that Jesus wanted to talk with me.  I resisted because she had become heavily involved in the &#8220;Jews for Jesus movement,&#8221; and had told me a couple of times that she was worried about my soul.  I assured her that I was not.  I was and am aware that I am a kind and nonjudgmental human being who doesn&#8217;t particularly like organized religion.</p>
<p>She had encouraged me to take on more job responsibilities and told me several times about the promotion I would receive.  One day. after lunch with school clients, she announced in a staff meeting that she had hired a search agency to find someone to fill the job which she assured me would be mine.  I had to approach her after the meeting and ask.  Her response was, &#8220;Jesus told me that you don&#8217;t belong here anymore.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;2) You wanted to live a life of sin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That describes Lee Strobel, at least so he said at least twice in his book &lt;em&gt;The Case For Faith&lt;/em&gt;. &quot;You&#039;re an ass&quot;, I thought about him the second time he described, in greater detail, why he was &quot;an atheist&quot; (he reminds his readers that he was one &lt;em&gt;at least&lt;/em&gt; 15 times). 

Me, my morality grew during my unbelief (which I would refer to many years later as &quot;atheism&quot;), as much of my life growing up I was an unbeliever. I never felt this &quot;pain&quot; and &quot;confusion&quot; that many people have felt when they were on the verge of and after &quot;losing&quot; faith, and when I gave up belief in God, I didn&#039;t have that intense feeling of &quot;liberation&quot;, that I can now do what I want, no matter how bad, come over me. 

When I gave up belief in God, I just went about my life as I normally had, curiously exploring the surrounding area of my apartment, staring at the bubbles in the puddles resulting from the raindrops from the window inside my apartment, accusing girls of possessing &quot;cooties&quot;, arguing with another kid to give back my Stegosaurus dinosaur toy, and going over to my friend&#039;s house to play the new NES that just came out, and years later spending much of my time in the libraries, quietly drawing pictures of future societies, eagerly awaiting school to end so I could watch the original Power Rangers, and even many years later flirting with the girls, playing basketball every day after school with the guys, studying hard to maintain my grades, stalking the bookshelf &quot;halls&quot; of the Barnes &amp; Noble every other week, and browsing the Internet message boards.

I&#039;m 20 years old. I&#039;ve never smoked, I&#039;ve never drank alcohol, I&#039;ve never gotten in trouble with the police for anything more serious than speeding, and I&#039;ve never harmed a soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2) You wanted to live a life of sin.</p></blockquote>
<p>That describes Lee Strobel, at least so he said at least twice in his book <em>The Case For Faith</em>. &#8220;You&#8217;re an ass&#8221;, I thought about him the second time he described, in greater detail, why he was &#8220;an atheist&#8221; (he reminds his readers that he was one <em>at least</em> 15 times). </p>
<p>Me, my morality grew during my unbelief (which I would refer to many years later as &#8220;atheism&#8221;), as much of my life growing up I was an unbeliever. I never felt this &#8220;pain&#8221; and &#8220;confusion&#8221; that many people have felt when they were on the verge of and after &#8220;losing&#8221; faith, and when I gave up belief in God, I didn&#8217;t have that intense feeling of &#8220;liberation&#8221;, that I can now do what I want, no matter how bad, come over me. </p>
<p>When I gave up belief in God, I just went about my life as I normally had, curiously exploring the surrounding area of my apartment, staring at the bubbles in the puddles resulting from the raindrops from the window inside my apartment, accusing girls of possessing &#8220;cooties&#8221;, arguing with another kid to give back my Stegosaurus dinosaur toy, and going over to my friend&#8217;s house to play the new NES that just came out, and years later spending much of my time in the libraries, quietly drawing pictures of future societies, eagerly awaiting school to end so I could watch the original Power Rangers, and even many years later flirting with the girls, playing basketball every day after school with the guys, studying hard to maintain my grades, stalking the bookshelf &#8220;halls&#8221; of the Barnes &amp; Noble every other week, and browsing the Internet message boards.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 20 years old. I&#8217;ve never smoked, I&#8217;ve never drank alcohol, I&#8217;ve never gotten in trouble with the police for anything more serious than speeding, and I&#8217;ve never harmed a soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did I miss any?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We have attempted to compile the definitive list on this topic over at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/27/convenient-categories/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deconversion blog. &lt;/a&gt; I think we&#039;ve got more than 30 explanations we&#039;ve heard so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did I miss any?</p></blockquote>
<p>We have attempted to compile the definitive list on this topic over at the <a href="http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/27/convenient-categories/" rel="nofollow">deconversion blog. </a> I think we&#8217;ve got more than 30 explanations we&#8217;ve heard so far.</p>
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		<title>By: RobL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My moment was when I was about 12 and attending LDS Sunday school.  It was explained to me that there are three tiers of heaven,  and no matter how good you are if you are not LDS you cant make it into the #1 group.  As I started asking questions along the lines of “what kind of god keeps good Chinese out of the #1 heaven simply because they are unaware of our church”  I started getting some angry looks from the teacher.  At that moment I realized it was just a bunch of nonsensical crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My moment was when I was about 12 and attending LDS Sunday school.  It was explained to me that there are three tiers of heaven,  and no matter how good you are if you are not LDS you cant make it into the #1 group.  As I started asking questions along the lines of “what kind of god keeps good Chinese out of the #1 heaven simply because they are unaware of our church”  I started getting some angry looks from the teacher.  At that moment I realized it was just a bunch of nonsensical crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Viggo the Carpathian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viggo the Carpathian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If everyone here would give permission — this would make a good book. Something like a big coffee table book with cool photos that artistically relate to the words.&quot;

I like the idea... do I get a cut? LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If everyone here would give permission — this would make a good book. Something like a big coffee table book with cool photos that artistically relate to the words.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like the idea&#8230; do I get a cut? LOL</p>
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