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	<title>Comments on: What Just Happened at American Atheists?</title>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Why Ellen Was Fired</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/07/what-just-happened-at-american-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-166788</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Why Ellen Was Fired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Projects Arthur Brenner posted a long comment about why (according to him) Ellen Johnson was fired from her position as President of AA. In doing so, he displayed a lot of animosity toward the AA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Hertens</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/07/what-just-happened-at-american-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-165778</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Hertens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I am a Belgian Atheist and ones more I am thumbling down from my seat while looking for news on American Atheist. Don&#039;t you think it is allready so difficult being an Atheist also here in Belgium so the American story is ones more comming over to us as unbelivebel. We are used to have these troubles with Agnostics but what is happening in America is bad for Atheist over the world.                                       Roger Hertens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I am a Belgian Atheist and ones more I am thumbling down from my seat while looking for news on American Atheist. Don&#8217;t you think it is allready so difficult being an Atheist also here in Belgium so the American story is ones more comming over to us as unbelivebel. We are used to have these troubles with Agnostics but what is happening in America is bad for Atheist over the world.                                       Roger Hertens</p>
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		<title>By: Trance Gemini</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/07/what-just-happened-at-american-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-162937</link>
		<dc:creator>Trance Gemini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite surprising that American Atheists would even expect that atheists would be willing to accept a &quot;no explanation&quot; after ousting a well-known leader of a well known atheist organization.

While I&#039;m not a member (I&#039;m Canadian) I think that we all have a right to know the truth here, considering the fact that this is such a large and influential organization.

The problem for me is not whether this was the right decision to make or not, it&#039;s the fact that it has been done behind closed doors with no explanation. The expectation that atheists should find this approach acceptable is insulting.

If I was a member I&#039;d seriously consider resigning over this.

I&#039;m going to continue promoting their organization on my site for now and just see where this goes.

I hope they&#039;ll man up and tell the truth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite surprising that American Atheists would even expect that atheists would be willing to accept a &#8220;no explanation&#8221; after ousting a well-known leader of a well known atheist organization.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m not a member (I&#8217;m Canadian) I think that we all have a right to know the truth here, considering the fact that this is such a large and influential organization.</p>
<p>The problem for me is not whether this was the right decision to make or not, it&#8217;s the fact that it has been done behind closed doors with no explanation. The expectation that atheists should find this approach acceptable is insulting.</p>
<p>If I was a member I&#8217;d seriously consider resigning over this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to continue promoting their organization on my site for now and just see where this goes.</p>
<p>I hope they&#8217;ll man up and tell the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Still No Updates from the American Atheists Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Still No Updates from the American Atheists Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ellen Johnson, former president of American Atheists, hasn&#8217;t said anything publicly yet (and hasn&#8217;t responded to an email inquiry) about her recent firing. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gil Gaudia, Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/07/what-just-happened-at-american-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-162795</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil Gaudia, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Gil Gaudia.  My wife Jeanne and I have been editorial assistants for the past two years at American Atheists. In doing so, we have worked closely with Ellen Johnson whom we respect and admire greatly.  We have also had telephone and email contact with a few of the board members, especially with regard to editing their manuscripts. We were not impressed with their interpersonal skills.  I have also contributed several articles to the magazine.  We have just concluded an hour long telephone conversation with Ellen.
 
We are extremely biased in her favor, because we found her to be hard-working, honest, courageous, competent and caring of us and appreciative of our volunteer contributions.

This board’s action, in our opinion, will almost certainly result in the end of the organization and publication as we know it. We say this because, from first-hand experience we are aware of the number of hours, the amount of coordination and the knowledge of the operation that are all required to successfully produce a monthly publication, and we have no evidence that any of the board members are willing and able to invest that degree of commitment.  Indeed, we have some reason to believe that the opposite is true.  To those members who propose hiring Dawkins, Hitchins, Harris and others for the presidency, first see if they’ll agree to work for 38K, or thereabouts, in addition to doing latrine duty in their spare time.

For the board of directors of the most well-known Atheist group in America to have taken such a suicidal action is incomprehensible, but whatever their reasons, unless the 
members protest strongly and demand her reinstatement, (which she may not even want) it will only be a matter of time before we no longer have an organization to uphold the civil rights of Atheists.  

As a contributor of many articles to this magazine, and as volunteers in editing other journal articles, spending many hours of our time in assisting Ellen in producing this publication, we are no longer interested in writing, editing or assisting in any way a magazine whose board has acted in such an irresponsible, unfair and self-destructive manner.

Gil and Jeanne R. Gaudia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Gil Gaudia.  My wife Jeanne and I have been editorial assistants for the past two years at American Atheists. In doing so, we have worked closely with Ellen Johnson whom we respect and admire greatly.  We have also had telephone and email contact with a few of the board members, especially with regard to editing their manuscripts. We were not impressed with their interpersonal skills.  I have also contributed several articles to the magazine.  We have just concluded an hour long telephone conversation with Ellen.</p>
<p>We are extremely biased in her favor, because we found her to be hard-working, honest, courageous, competent and caring of us and appreciative of our volunteer contributions.</p>
<p>This board’s action, in our opinion, will almost certainly result in the end of the organization and publication as we know it. We say this because, from first-hand experience we are aware of the number of hours, the amount of coordination and the knowledge of the operation that are all required to successfully produce a monthly publication, and we have no evidence that any of the board members are willing and able to invest that degree of commitment.  Indeed, we have some reason to believe that the opposite is true.  To those members who propose hiring Dawkins, Hitchins, Harris and others for the presidency, first see if they’ll agree to work for 38K, or thereabouts, in addition to doing latrine duty in their spare time.</p>
<p>For the board of directors of the most well-known Atheist group in America to have taken such a suicidal action is incomprehensible, but whatever their reasons, unless the<br />
members protest strongly and demand her reinstatement, (which she may not even want) it will only be a matter of time before we no longer have an organization to uphold the civil rights of Atheists.  </p>
<p>As a contributor of many articles to this magazine, and as volunteers in editing other journal articles, spending many hours of our time in assisting Ellen in producing this publication, we are no longer interested in writing, editing or assisting in any way a magazine whose board has acted in such an irresponsible, unfair and self-destructive manner.</p>
<p>Gil and Jeanne R. Gaudia</p>
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		<title>By: Roy McKenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERE! HERE!  I don&#039;t think it is appropriate to ask rationalists and other people who are for the truth to not ask anymore questions and &quot;just trust us.&quot;  At the risk of sounding like a douche-bag, it sounds an awful lot like what a Christian priest might say.  &quot;Just trust me, have faith.&quot;

Hopefully this gets resolved soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERE! HERE!  I don&#8217;t think it is appropriate to ask rationalists and other people who are for the truth to not ask anymore questions and &#8220;just trust us.&#8221;  At the risk of sounding like a douche-bag, it sounds an awful lot like what a Christian priest might say.  &#8220;Just trust me, have faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hopefully this gets resolved soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one am glad she&#039;s been removed from her position. She is a TERRIBLE spokesperson for the atheist community- As long as she reads from a script, she&#039;s fine, but as soon as she goes head to head with a person of religion, her poise goes away and she becomes combative in a very negative way. 

With all the amazing atheists out there who are excellent speakers as well as fantastic debaters- Ron Barrier, or Annie Laurie Gaylor are two great examples, it highlights the fact that Ellen was a really awful representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am glad she&#8217;s been removed from her position. She is a TERRIBLE spokesperson for the atheist community- As long as she reads from a script, she&#8217;s fine, but as soon as she goes head to head with a person of religion, her poise goes away and she becomes combative in a very negative way. </p>
<p>With all the amazing atheists out there who are excellent speakers as well as fantastic debaters- Ron Barrier, or Annie Laurie Gaylor are two great examples, it highlights the fact that Ellen was a really awful representative.</p>
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		<title>By: GentlePath</title>
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		<dc:creator>GentlePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Out of respect ... remembered favorably ... be accepted without further calls for explanation ....&quot;

That&#039;s creepy. I expect churches and politicians tell me to turn my brain off, not atheist organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Out of respect &#8230; remembered favorably &#8230; be accepted without further calls for explanation &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s creepy. I expect churches and politicians tell me to turn my brain off, not atheist organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Barker</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/05/07/what-just-happened-at-american-atheists/comment-page-1/#comment-162442</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, Ellen’s prank in telling atheists not to vote was enough for me to lose any respect I might have had for her. That was the dumbest thing I’ve heard anyone say in a very long time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. But she was so hot, it was easy to overlook various lapse of judgments.

Frank Zindler is not nearly as hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, Ellen’s prank in telling atheists not to vote was enough for me to lose any respect I might have had for her. That was the dumbest thing I’ve heard anyone say in a very long time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. But she was so hot, it was easy to overlook various lapse of judgments.</p>
<p>Frank Zindler is not nearly as hot.</p>
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		<title>By: PhillyChief</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhillyChief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the &quot;don&#039;t vote&quot; thing was stupid, but I think they&#039;re pissed that they&#039;ve been eclipsed by other organizations in recent years. Here it is, an enormous ground swell of atheism and they&#039;re the only organization that hasn&#039;t capitalized on it. FFRF has more than quadrupled it&#039;s membership and has led suits against local, state and federal government. Center for Inquiry is growing and has lobbyists. What have they done? Oh I see her make the rounds sometimes on tv, but that&#039;s it. No one even recognizes their symbol anymore. They&#039;ve completely missed the biggest boat to ever come along for them, so time for a new leader.

And yeah, that website of theirs is pretty bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the &#8220;don&#8217;t vote&#8221; thing was stupid, but I think they&#8217;re pissed that they&#8217;ve been eclipsed by other organizations in recent years. Here it is, an enormous ground swell of atheism and they&#8217;re the only organization that hasn&#8217;t capitalized on it. FFRF has more than quadrupled it&#8217;s membership and has led suits against local, state and federal government. Center for Inquiry is growing and has lobbyists. What have they done? Oh I see her make the rounds sometimes on tv, but that&#8217;s it. No one even recognizes their symbol anymore. They&#8217;ve completely missed the biggest boat to ever come along for them, so time for a new leader.</p>
<p>And yeah, that website of theirs is pretty bad.</p>
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