Furthermore, the “scientists” that sent millions to the gas chambers were men that were brainwashed by the Nazi regime or threatened with the same fate if they failed to comply. I myself am a devout Catholic, but one must look at the facts, and not blindly make such fierce accusations without any further knowledge, as Stein has done. He gives all Christians, and intelligent human beings, a bad name.

oh BTW, the technology used to create the film and transmit this interview, was created by science not god. Wanna know how I know? god is imaginary.

But being a biologist, he calls it BIOlogos I notice!

That’s true — “bios” being the Greek work for “life.” You could also call it “CosmosLogos,” where “cosmos” is Greek for “order.”

Hitler was also into astrology. Does that mean we must not teach children of the existence of stars and planets?

A better question might be: The Nazis were very good at technology. Does that mean technology leads to genocide? Of course not — technology is just a tool. How we choose to use a tool is right/wrong/good/evil, not the tool itself. (Except maybe television. Pure evil.) (That’s a joke.)

http://howgoodisthat.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/the-master-at-work-derren-brown-converts-a-room-full-of-atheists-to-believing-in-god/

Hitler was also into astrology. Does that mean we must not teach children of the existence of stars and planets?

Siamang, you know the answer to that. The fundies would say that astrology isn’t astronomy, that it’s an occult practice, and this proves that dabbling in the occult leads to genocide.

Yes. I hadn’t heard the term biologos, but according to that wikipedia link, it’s Collins’ coinage to describe his view of theistic evolution.

Actually, Collins’ term is probably more accurate for what he’s describing, because according to that link, he’s also talking about the entire creation process, from the beginning of the universe, not just evolution. But being a biologist, he calls it BIOlogos I notice!

If you like Collins, I recommend also that above-linked youtube video of Ken Miller talking about intelligent design. He also has a book covering similar subject matter to Collins, called “Finding Darwin’s God”.

I have not seen Expelled yet. But from the summaries and reviews, it appears to be fatally flawed in its logic.

It suffers from (or uses to its own advantage) a flaw of the new rapid-fire style of propaganda documentary filmmaking: You can rush right though soundbites hurry-scurry and create an impression of terrible wrongdoing against these poor innocent Intelligent Design proponents. The allegations come fast and furious, and in a movie theater you cannot check wikipedia for their accuracy. By the time you hear something and think “now wait just a minute… that doesn’t sound true”, all of a sudden five more things are shown and you’ve forgotten about that first thing… and the allegations just wash over you and you’re left with the impression that something is indeed terribly wrong, just as Ben Stein says!

The part near the end of the film where they visit a Nazi concentration camp is shameless. It trivializes the holocaust and simplifies it down to one rationale. A rationale that even if it were true, simply has no bearing on the natural historical record.

Either life evolved on this planet from a common ancestral genepool, or it did not. The history of the natural world is what it is.
Even if Hitler had quoted the entire text of On the Origin of Species in Mien Kampf, it would not change the facts of the history of biological life on earth.

Hitler was also into astrology. Does that mean we must not teach children of the existence of stars and planets?

I have not seen Expelled yet. But from the summaries and reviews, it appears to be fatally flawed in its logic. Science leads to murder? No more than designing a car leads to road rage. The film apparently claims that since the Nazis were inspired by Darwinism, therefore Darwinism is responsible for the Holocaust; which is simply a preposterous argument. You might as well hold Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet responsible for teen suicide. Or blame the Bible for every idiot who finds out-of-context justification for his views. (”You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. –Anne Lamott”)