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	<title>Comments on: Expelled&#8217;s Weekend Box Office: Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Culle. f.</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-182456</link>
		<dc:creator>Culle. f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in God and know that Jesus is our Savior just as I know I am typing on this forum.  I appreciate the freedom we have in being able to believe as we wish, in fact, this freedom is a major part of the Plan of Salvation for mankind.

Although we disagree, we are on this earth for the same reason.  I thank you for allowing me to post and for the opposition you raise.

Christians and Athiest alike are human and thus susceptible to human error; left to the thinking ways of the natural man.  This is why some Christians and Athiest do things that are not right.  But it isn&#039;t up to us to judge; instead we should seek to serve each other regardless of different beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in God and know that Jesus is our Savior just as I know I am typing on this forum.  I appreciate the freedom we have in being able to believe as we wish, in fact, this freedom is a major part of the Plan of Salvation for mankind.</p>
<p>Although we disagree, we are on this earth for the same reason.  I thank you for allowing me to post and for the opposition you raise.</p>
<p>Christians and Athiest alike are human and thus susceptible to human error; left to the thinking ways of the natural man.  This is why some Christians and Athiest do things that are not right.  But it isn&#8217;t up to us to judge; instead we should seek to serve each other regardless of different beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-159550</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the theater counts for this weekend, you&#039;ll see that &quot;Expelled&quot; lost over 1/3 of its theaters.

The total is actually worse than that! Locally, 2 of the 7 theaters still showing the film have multiple movies on the same screen. On the Cinemark theater, it&#039;s a double feature with &quot;Deception&quot; (imagine that!); &quot;Expelled&quot; doesn&#039;t have a 7pm show!

Expect to see a substantially reduced BO form those remaining theaters this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the theater counts for this weekend, you&#8217;ll see that &#8220;Expelled&#8221; lost over 1/3 of its theaters.</p>
<p>The total is actually worse than that! Locally, 2 of the 7 theaters still showing the film have multiple movies on the same screen. On the Cinemark theater, it&#8217;s a double feature with &#8220;Deception&#8221; (imagine that!); &#8220;Expelled&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have a 7pm show!</p>
<p>Expect to see a substantially reduced BO form those remaining theaters this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-158999</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s a MIRACLE!!!!
only a 53% drop off, and the CUM total is now up to 5.2 million!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hardly a miracle. I&#039;m guessing you&#039;ve never ever made BO estimates before. You really need to have a 2nd week&#039;s worth of data before doing that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was wrong! They might make their money back!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unless these guys revealed their marketing budget, it&#039;s almost impossible to tell.

The rule-of-thumb cut between distributors and theaters is 50/50, although I don&#039; think it&#039;ll apply in this case. Rocky Mountain Pictures is a tiny operation; it&#039;s very difficult for them to get anything near the rate that a Universal or Paramount would get for a movie.

I&#039;m guessing that the producers said, &quot;To hell with the BO take!&quot; Or maybe something like that....

They pretty clearly had their priorities on the public numbers and don&#039;t really care if they take a bath on the [private] bottom line.

Never mind the pending lawsuits about IP theft...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s a MIRACLE!!!!<br />
only a 53% drop off, and the CUM total is now up to 5.2 million!</p></blockquote>
<p>Hardly a miracle. I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;ve never ever made BO estimates before. You really need to have a 2nd week&#8217;s worth of data before doing that.</p>
<blockquote><p>I was wrong! They might make their money back!</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless these guys revealed their marketing budget, it&#8217;s almost impossible to tell.</p>
<p>The rule-of-thumb cut between distributors and theaters is 50/50, although I don&#8217; think it&#8217;ll apply in this case. Rocky Mountain Pictures is a tiny operation; it&#8217;s very difficult for them to get anything near the rate that a Universal or Paramount would get for a movie.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that the producers said, &#8220;To hell with the BO take!&#8221; Or maybe something like that&#8230;.</p>
<p>They pretty clearly had their priorities on the public numbers and don&#8217;t really care if they take a bath on the [private] bottom line.</p>
<p>Never mind the pending lawsuits about IP theft&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, I went in expecting to find things I could pick apart. I was floored. I think my mind is completely changed. My long-held faith in evolution is completely rocked.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you want to see things picked apart, go look at the Wikipedia entry for 

Expelled No Intelligence Allowed

You&#039;ll see essentially every single claim of the &quot;expelled&quot; sliced and diced in that discussion.

While you&#039;re there, check out the manipulation of Darwin&#039;s quote made by the filmmakers. You&#039;ll see both Darwin&#039;s real words and the words that were used in the &quot;quotation&quot; in the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, I went in expecting to find things I could pick apart. I was floored. I think my mind is completely changed. My long-held faith in evolution is completely rocked.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you want to see things picked apart, go look at the Wikipedia entry for </p>
<p>Expelled No Intelligence Allowed</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll see essentially every single claim of the &#8220;expelled&#8221; sliced and diced in that discussion.</p>
<p>While you&#8217;re there, check out the manipulation of Darwin&#8217;s quote made by the filmmakers. You&#8217;ll see both Darwin&#8217;s real words and the words that were used in the &#8220;quotation&#8221; in the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-158924</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, I went in expecting to find things I could pick apart. I was floored. I think my mind is completely changed. My long-held faith in evolution is completely rocked.

Please see this movie and decide for yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

JB, I saw the movie.  If you&#039;re still here, let&#039;s have a discussion about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wow, I went in expecting to find things I could pick apart. I was floored. I think my mind is completely changed. My long-held faith in evolution is completely rocked.</p>
<p>Please see this movie and decide for yourself.</p></blockquote>
<p>JB, I saw the movie.  If you&#8217;re still here, let&#8217;s have a discussion about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-2/#comment-158867</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a movie theater that I expect was peopled with 12 Christians and me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like the numerology of that.  Now, who do I represent, Jesus, or Judas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a movie theater that I expect was peopled with 12 Christians and me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I like the numerology of that.  Now, who do I represent, Jesus, or Judas?</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/20/expelleds-weekend-box-office-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-158866</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Siamang, I want to see it but won’t pay for it. What would you say was the most interesting part of the movie….in your opinion?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have to say that I did get a little kick out of hearing Richard Dawkins read his passage about God in a movie theater that I expect was peopled with 12 Christians and me.

You know the one:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It was a guilty pleasure, to be sure.  But after sitting through the blood libel of Stein blaming science for the murder of six-million Jews, I took what pleasure I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Siamang, I want to see it but won’t pay for it. What would you say was the most interesting part of the movie….in your opinion?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have to say that I did get a little kick out of hearing Richard Dawkins read his passage about God in a movie theater that I expect was peopled with 12 Christians and me.</p>
<p>You know the one:</p>
<blockquote><p>The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It was a guilty pleasure, to be sure.  But after sitting through the blood libel of Stein blaming science for the murder of six-million Jews, I took what pleasure I could.</p>
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		<title>By: cipher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cipher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siamang,

In the other thread about &lt;em&gt;Expelled&lt;/em&gt;, you said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I mean, here was a stupid cartoon, not 30 seconds in length, claiming to illustrate a fundamental problem with evolutionary biology. In order for this cartoon to actually disprove a scientific claim, the scientists in the world must be PHENOMENALLY stupid. I mean, really, if you could punch a fatal hole in evolutionary theory with a cartoon, and yet no actual scientist at Harvard or Yale or MIT, or Princeton or Oxford or Cambridge has figured it out… but OH YEAH, these bozos with their cheap cartoon figured it out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This reminds me of something that&#039;s been bothering me for some time. I live in Boston. As you probably know, it&#039;s a big college town. For years, evangelicalism has been growing on campuses here (as I understand is the case everywhere, at least in the US). At Harvard and MIT, we supposedly have some of the most brilliant young minds this civilization has produced. If someone were to walk in on a group of science majors (which is pretty much everyone at MIT) and tell them, &quot;Guys, we&#039;ve just run some experiments. Relativity, quantum mechanics - they&#039;re all wrong. Turns out Newton was right all along.&quot;, they&#039;d say, &quot;You&#039;d better show us some &lt;em&gt;hard evidence&lt;/em&gt; if you&#039;re going to make a statement like that.&quot; However, someone tells them, &quot;Two thousand years ago, God became a human being and let someone nail him to a tree, so now, if you believe it, he doesn&#039;t have to roast you alive for all of eternity&quot;, and they just say, &quot;Okay.&quot; The double standard is unbelievable; it just makes me crazy. These kids are supposed to be the best we have, intellectually - and they just roll over for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siamang,</p>
<p>In the other thread about <em>Expelled</em>, you said,</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean, here was a stupid cartoon, not 30 seconds in length, claiming to illustrate a fundamental problem with evolutionary biology. In order for this cartoon to actually disprove a scientific claim, the scientists in the world must be PHENOMENALLY stupid. I mean, really, if you could punch a fatal hole in evolutionary theory with a cartoon, and yet no actual scientist at Harvard or Yale or MIT, or Princeton or Oxford or Cambridge has figured it out… but OH YEAH, these bozos with their cheap cartoon figured it out.</p></blockquote>
<p>This reminds me of something that&#8217;s been bothering me for some time. I live in Boston. As you probably know, it&#8217;s a big college town. For years, evangelicalism has been growing on campuses here (as I understand is the case everywhere, at least in the US). At Harvard and MIT, we supposedly have some of the most brilliant young minds this civilization has produced. If someone were to walk in on a group of science majors (which is pretty much everyone at MIT) and tell them, &#8220;Guys, we&#8217;ve just run some experiments. Relativity, quantum mechanics &#8211; they&#8217;re all wrong. Turns out Newton was right all along.&#8221;, they&#8217;d say, &#8220;You&#8217;d better show us some <em>hard evidence</em> if you&#8217;re going to make a statement like that.&#8221; However, someone tells them, &#8220;Two thousand years ago, God became a human being and let someone nail him to a tree, so now, if you believe it, he doesn&#8217;t have to roast you alive for all of eternity&#8221;, and they just say, &#8220;Okay.&#8221; The double standard is unbelievable; it just makes me crazy. These kids are supposed to be the best we have, intellectually &#8211; and they just roll over for it.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siamang, I want to see it but won&#039;t pay for it.  What would you say was the most interesting part of the movie....in your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siamang, I want to see it but won&#8217;t pay for it.  What would you say was the most interesting part of the movie&#8230;.in your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: James_g_vm</title>
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		<dc:creator>James_g_vm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can expect the DVD soon, it is standard practice in the low-budget film industry to launch the DVD on the coat tails of the theatrical promotion to maximize the marketing spend.  I expect there will be an additional push to evangelicals for the DVD.  Margins are higher in home video so this project may indeed come out in the black.  Unfortunately in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can expect the DVD soon, it is standard practice in the low-budget film industry to launch the DVD on the coat tails of the theatrical promotion to maximize the marketing spend.  I expect there will be an additional push to evangelicals for the DVD.  Margins are higher in home video so this project may indeed come out in the black.  Unfortunately in my opinion.</p>
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