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		<title>By: Aquaria</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/16/she-hasnt-come-out-to-her-family-yet-should-she/comment-page-1/#comment-153954</link>
		<dc:creator>Aquaria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I haven&#039;t seen here is taking opportunities to distance yourself from the beliefs. You know, if the parents make an absolutist statement, saying something like, &quot;I don&#039;t know... Are you sure?&quot; and gradually increase the questioning until they&#039;re not so surprised if you come out as not having their faith. Sort of an inoculation, that makes them not so surprised when the truth comes.

Strangely enough, it might take until you graduate from college or are on your own to get there.

A lot of this depends on how your family sees you, too. I was always strong-willed and outspoken, so if I had told my mother to knock off the religion crap, well, she was used to my saying things like that, in that way.

I didn&#039;t have to overcome an intolerant family, but at your age I did have to deal with being an atheist in an extremely conservative part of the country, where it can be dangerous to be an atheist, especially a female atheist.

As someone said upthread, I usually followed a don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell policy. But it was very hard, because, in that environment, the first thing you&#039;re asked after an introduction is, &quot;What church do you go to?&quot; For a long time, I tried to dance around it. But, after a while, I stopped. I just answered, &quot;I don&#039;t.&quot; Some days, I would endure hearing the sales pitch for their particular church. And sometimes I didn&#039;t. Sometimes, it was something in between.

One thing for sure: you won&#039;t have to deal with only your parents about this. Being an atheist can affect you in the outside world. In some places, you can face losing your job, your apartment, your friends. Even in more tolerant societies, there will be nasty people to face.

And yet so many of us don&#039;t suspend our disbelief. I suppose it&#039;s very much like how gays deal with acceptance in various circumstances. If you&#039;re in Wyoming or East Texas, then maybe you&#039;d better a) never admit anything to anyone if you can help it (easier for atheists than gays) or b) move somewhere more tolerant. I chose b. It&#039;s usually the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I haven&#8217;t seen here is taking opportunities to distance yourself from the beliefs. You know, if the parents make an absolutist statement, saying something like, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8230; Are you sure?&#8221; and gradually increase the questioning until they&#8217;re not so surprised if you come out as not having their faith. Sort of an inoculation, that makes them not so surprised when the truth comes.</p>
<p>Strangely enough, it might take until you graduate from college or are on your own to get there.</p>
<p>A lot of this depends on how your family sees you, too. I was always strong-willed and outspoken, so if I had told my mother to knock off the religion crap, well, she was used to my saying things like that, in that way.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have to overcome an intolerant family, but at your age I did have to deal with being an atheist in an extremely conservative part of the country, where it can be dangerous to be an atheist, especially a female atheist.</p>
<p>As someone said upthread, I usually followed a don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell policy. But it was very hard, because, in that environment, the first thing you&#8217;re asked after an introduction is, &#8220;What church do you go to?&#8221; For a long time, I tried to dance around it. But, after a while, I stopped. I just answered, &#8220;I don&#8217;t.&#8221; Some days, I would endure hearing the sales pitch for their particular church. And sometimes I didn&#8217;t. Sometimes, it was something in between.</p>
<p>One thing for sure: you won&#8217;t have to deal with only your parents about this. Being an atheist can affect you in the outside world. In some places, you can face losing your job, your apartment, your friends. Even in more tolerant societies, there will be nasty people to face.</p>
<p>And yet so many of us don&#8217;t suspend our disbelief. I suppose it&#8217;s very much like how gays deal with acceptance in various circumstances. If you&#8217;re in Wyoming or East Texas, then maybe you&#8217;d better a) never admit anything to anyone if you can help it (easier for atheists than gays) or b) move somewhere more tolerant. I chose b. It&#8217;s usually the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sondra,

You can always just be a lax Catholic...  or a non-practicing Catholic.  Nominally retain the title for your parents benefit, just stop going to church...  After they are used to your laxness, you can eventually level with them that you don&#039;t believe in heaven, hell, the saints, and the bodily ascending virgin anymore.  I know plenty of lax non-practicing Catholics that for all practical purposes are atheists.  But they still kind of consider themselves as Catholics (by upbringing or family tradition) probably for the benefit of their parents.  Half of the people in Europe probably fall in this category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sondra,</p>
<p>You can always just be a lax Catholic&#8230;  or a non-practicing Catholic.  Nominally retain the title for your parents benefit, just stop going to church&#8230;  After they are used to your laxness, you can eventually level with them that you don&#8217;t believe in heaven, hell, the saints, and the bodily ascending virgin anymore.  I know plenty of lax non-practicing Catholics that for all practical purposes are atheists.  But they still kind of consider themselves as Catholics (by upbringing or family tradition) probably for the benefit of their parents.  Half of the people in Europe probably fall in this category.</p>
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		<title>By: Greta Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his Savage Love column, Dan Savage recently had some excellent advice for teenagers on coming out to their parents as queer. I think it&#039;s very applicable to coming out as atheist as well.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=532280

And among his pieces of advice was: Don&#039;t tell them until you don&#039;t need their support any more. If they can kick you out of the house or cut off your tuition, it can wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his Savage Love column, Dan Savage recently had some excellent advice for teenagers on coming out to their parents as queer. I think it&#8217;s very applicable to coming out as atheist as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=532280" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=532280</a></p>
<p>And among his pieces of advice was: Don&#8217;t tell them until you don&#8217;t need their support any more. If they can kick you out of the house or cut off your tuition, it can wait.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hadn&#039;t had much of a choice when i came out to my parents. i&#039;d been an atheist for about six months, without telling them. needless to say, this made church services rather tense, and i dreaded every sunday. My brother (who is less atheistic, but a devout agnostic) was going his bad-boy rebel phase at the time and always locking horns with the good ole&#039; parents. he&#039;d been tugging at the bit for a while, and eventually refused to come to church. An argument ensued, and then he brought it up: 

&quot;I don&#039;t believe in it anymore, and Josh doesn&#039;t either!&quot;

Well, the $#!t hit fan then and there. My parents, while not young-earth fundamentalists or going-to-hell catholics, are quite religious. There were heated debates, with them giving me that &quot;i&#039;m disappointed in you, son&quot; look as i explained my logical arguments. At the time, they felt that i was disrespecting them by not attending church. Also, there was the commonplace &quot;you&#039;ll find god when you hit the rocks of life&quot; argument (maybe so, but i can honestly say i have the best coping skills in my family because of my roboticly unemotional thinking).

For about six months after that, they had an enforced church-attendence policy. Which went over like a lead balloon. i visibly sat and sulked through the sermons--didn&#039;t do anything but stand up when the hymns were being sung. eventually the forced attendence became less frequent, and then stopped entirely.

when i stopped going to church alltogether, the youth group leader--a nice guy named kevin--asked why i wasn&#039;t coming anymore. i told him that i felt it was hypocrisy to attend church when i didn&#039;t believe, and if i wasn&#039;t attending i shouldn&#039;t be getting any benefits. I also mentioned the hypocrisy as one of the reasons i didn&#039;t want to attend church with them anymore. It seemed to work. And it was completely true, in both cases.

nowadays, they&#039;re not exactly happy about it, but it&#039;s not an issue  anymore. I suppose the moral of the story is this:

i don&#039;t know whether or not you should come out, i never actually had to make that choice--my brother made it for me. but your parents will eventually adjust. time may not heal all wounds, but it blunts all hard feelings. Like others who posted, i&#039;d suggest using the &quot;eventually i&#039;ll convert back&quot; argument (Not neccesarily truthful in my case) and my own &quot;hypocrisy&quot; argument (gives you an ethical reason to not attend). Other than that, you probably know best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hadn&#8217;t had much of a choice when i came out to my parents. i&#8217;d been an atheist for about six months, without telling them. needless to say, this made church services rather tense, and i dreaded every sunday. My brother (who is less atheistic, but a devout agnostic) was going his bad-boy rebel phase at the time and always locking horns with the good ole&#8217; parents. he&#8217;d been tugging at the bit for a while, and eventually refused to come to church. An argument ensued, and then he brought it up: </p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in it anymore, and Josh doesn&#8217;t either!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, the $#!t hit fan then and there. My parents, while not young-earth fundamentalists or going-to-hell catholics, are quite religious. There were heated debates, with them giving me that &#8220;i&#8217;m disappointed in you, son&#8221; look as i explained my logical arguments. At the time, they felt that i was disrespecting them by not attending church. Also, there was the commonplace &#8220;you&#8217;ll find god when you hit the rocks of life&#8221; argument (maybe so, but i can honestly say i have the best coping skills in my family because of my roboticly unemotional thinking).</p>
<p>For about six months after that, they had an enforced church-attendence policy. Which went over like a lead balloon. i visibly sat and sulked through the sermons&#8211;didn&#8217;t do anything but stand up when the hymns were being sung. eventually the forced attendence became less frequent, and then stopped entirely.</p>
<p>when i stopped going to church alltogether, the youth group leader&#8211;a nice guy named kevin&#8211;asked why i wasn&#8217;t coming anymore. i told him that i felt it was hypocrisy to attend church when i didn&#8217;t believe, and if i wasn&#8217;t attending i shouldn&#8217;t be getting any benefits. I also mentioned the hypocrisy as one of the reasons i didn&#8217;t want to attend church with them anymore. It seemed to work. And it was completely true, in both cases.</p>
<p>nowadays, they&#8217;re not exactly happy about it, but it&#8217;s not an issue  anymore. I suppose the moral of the story is this:</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know whether or not you should come out, i never actually had to make that choice&#8211;my brother made it for me. but your parents will eventually adjust. time may not heal all wounds, but it blunts all hard feelings. Like others who posted, i&#8217;d suggest using the &#8220;eventually i&#8217;ll convert back&#8221; argument (Not neccesarily truthful in my case) and my own &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; argument (gives you an ethical reason to not attend). Other than that, you probably know best.</p>
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		<title>By: Spurs Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spurs Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hatred of homosexuals - in a high school class!?! Wow. That’s really sad and backward, given the stats about how tolerant the majority of young people are about homosexuality. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Karen,

I know, I know.  I think the stats are correct.  I&#039;m not sure where you live, but this is probably a regional situation.  Oddly enough, their parents &lt;em&gt;are &lt;/em&gt; probably more intolerant.  When some attend college, that will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hatred of homosexuals &#8211; in a high school class!?! Wow. That’s really sad and backward, given the stats about how tolerant the majority of young people are about homosexuality. </p></blockquote>
<p>Karen,</p>
<p>I know, I know.  I think the stats are correct.  I&#8217;m not sure where you live, but this is probably a regional situation.  Oddly enough, their parents <em>are </em> probably more intolerant.  When some attend college, that will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are under no obligation to come out to your parents about your atheism.  If they can handle it, then go ahead.  But, if you think it would really trouble them, or cause a rift between you and them, then consider not telling them.  The Truth will set anyone free, but not everyone can handle the Truth.  The Apostle Paul said that he was free to do certain things, but if doing them would cause his brother to stumble, he said that he would not do those things for his brother&#039;s sake.  That&#039;s a very Christian attitude.  Paul said the stronger brother ought to bear up the weaker brother.  In my view, your atheism makes you stronger, and your family&#039;s Christianity makes them weaker.  It is therefore incumbent upon you from this view to look out for them.  But, no matter what course you take, it is your choice, and you are free to do as you think best.

All the best,

Darryl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are under no obligation to come out to your parents about your atheism.  If they can handle it, then go ahead.  But, if you think it would really trouble them, or cause a rift between you and them, then consider not telling them.  The Truth will set anyone free, but not everyone can handle the Truth.  The Apostle Paul said that he was free to do certain things, but if doing them would cause his brother to stumble, he said that he would not do those things for his brother&#8217;s sake.  That&#8217;s a very Christian attitude.  Paul said the stronger brother ought to bear up the weaker brother.  In my view, your atheism makes you stronger, and your family&#8217;s Christianity makes them weaker.  It is therefore incumbent upon you from this view to look out for them.  But, no matter what course you take, it is your choice, and you are free to do as you think best.</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Darryl</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s sad…the other day my high school social studies class was having a (albeit one-sided..I’m in a rural part of Texas) debate over gay marriage, and some students asked me what I would do if my son brought home a high school boyfriend. They seemed utterly shocked that I would accept it and not be angry. Even if I had a problem with homosexuality, I can’t imagine having the level of hate that I saw in their eyes for my own son.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hatred of homosexuals - in a high school class!?! Wow. That&#039;s really sad and backward, given the stats about how tolerant the majority of young people are about homosexuality. 

My kids are teens and their friends - even the Christian ones - are very cool with gay people. It is very sad what hatred and indoctrination will do. I guess we can only hope these kids go away to college and get exposed to some more progressive thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s sad…the other day my high school social studies class was having a (albeit one-sided..I’m in a rural part of Texas) debate over gay marriage, and some students asked me what I would do if my son brought home a high school boyfriend. They seemed utterly shocked that I would accept it and not be angry. Even if I had a problem with homosexuality, I can’t imagine having the level of hate that I saw in their eyes for my own son.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hatred of homosexuals &#8211; in a high school class!?! Wow. That&#8217;s really sad and backward, given the stats about how tolerant the majority of young people are about homosexuality. </p>
<p>My kids are teens and their friends &#8211; even the Christian ones &#8211; are very cool with gay people. It is very sad what hatred and indoctrination will do. I guess we can only hope these kids go away to college and get exposed to some more progressive thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately, every time I see that someone wants to pray for someone else I have the urge to point out that &#039;pray&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;killed&#039; this girl&lt;/a&gt;.  I realize that is not helpful information, other than if she wants to be snarky with her parents  .  . . which is not helpful to her situtaion either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately, every time I see that someone wants to pray for someone else I have the urge to point out that &#8216;pray&#8217; <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;killed&#8217; this girl</a>.  I realize that is not helpful information, other than if she wants to be snarky with her parents  .  . . which is not helpful to her situtaion either.</p>
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		<title>By: Spurs Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spurs Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also been in this situation.  I would agree that the financially independent part makes it easier.  When I &quot;came out&quot; to my mom, she flipped, but I was already 28 or 29 and obviously not depndent on her.  

It&#039;s odd how if this situation were reversed, I can&#039;t help thinking that different results would occur.  If a &quot;Born-again&quot; Christian or newly-converted Muslim &quot;came out&quot; to their Athiest parent, I&#039;m sure a few would be upset.  However, I&#039;m almost certain that most skeptic parents would be supportive.  Saddened or intrigued maybe, but loving and gentle.  

It&#039;s sad...the other day my high school social studies class was having a (albeit one-sided..I&#039;m in a rural part of Texas) debate over gay marriage, and some students asked me what I would do if my son brought home a high school boyfriend.  They seemed utterly shocked that I would accept it and not be angry.  Even if I had a problem with homosexuality, I can&#039;t imagine having the level of hate that I saw in &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; eyes for my own son.  Likewise, I can&#039;t understand a parent rejecting their child so harshly for a belief, and a well-thought out one at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also been in this situation.  I would agree that the financially independent part makes it easier.  When I &#8220;came out&#8221; to my mom, she flipped, but I was already 28 or 29 and obviously not depndent on her.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s odd how if this situation were reversed, I can&#8217;t help thinking that different results would occur.  If a &#8220;Born-again&#8221; Christian or newly-converted Muslim &#8220;came out&#8221; to their Athiest parent, I&#8217;m sure a few would be upset.  However, I&#8217;m almost certain that most skeptic parents would be supportive.  Saddened or intrigued maybe, but loving and gentle.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad&#8230;the other day my high school social studies class was having a (albeit one-sided..I&#8217;m in a rural part of Texas) debate over gay marriage, and some students asked me what I would do if my son brought home a high school boyfriend.  They seemed utterly shocked that I would accept it and not be angry.  Even if I had a problem with homosexuality, I can&#8217;t imagine having the level of hate that I saw in <em>their</em> eyes for my own son.  Likewise, I can&#8217;t understand a parent rejecting their child so harshly for a belief, and a well-thought out one at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, being an Atheist- and I capitalize it mostly for my own amusement, since religions are capitalized- means I don&#039;t place much emphasis on religion. If anything defines me in the area of religion, it&#039;s the absence of beliefs and passions. So I don&#039;t feel any strong need to &#039;come out&#039; so to speak, because I find it places too much importance on something I find rather silly to begin with.
I agree with all of the above statements about becoming independent first- not just financially but emotionally. Until you break away to build your own life and family, you tend to define yourself in terms of your parents. Wait until other definitions like, spouse, parent, or job title come first. Then decide if it&#039;s something you want to do, or indeed if it&#039;s something your parents don&#039;t already know about but are terrified to discuss for fear of making it a very real obstacle. You might find your desire to take a stand now is part of your separation and redefinition process or you might find it&#039;s something that really needs done- but either way, waiting until you are independent will probably make things less painful for both you and your parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, being an Atheist- and I capitalize it mostly for my own amusement, since religions are capitalized- means I don&#8217;t place much emphasis on religion. If anything defines me in the area of religion, it&#8217;s the absence of beliefs and passions. So I don&#8217;t feel any strong need to &#8216;come out&#8217; so to speak, because I find it places too much importance on something I find rather silly to begin with.<br />
I agree with all of the above statements about becoming independent first- not just financially but emotionally. Until you break away to build your own life and family, you tend to define yourself in terms of your parents. Wait until other definitions like, spouse, parent, or job title come first. Then decide if it&#8217;s something you want to do, or indeed if it&#8217;s something your parents don&#8217;t already know about but are terrified to discuss for fear of making it a very real obstacle. You might find your desire to take a stand now is part of your separation and redefinition process or you might find it&#8217;s something that really needs done- but either way, waiting until you are independent will probably make things less painful for both you and your parents.</p>
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