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	<title>Comments on: The Monique Davis Story Hasn&#8217;t Gone Away Just Yet&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A previous commentator said
&lt;em&gt;when was the last time a guy was dragged behind a truck for not praying? Or beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die because he was caught reading Dawkins?&lt;/em&gt;

Well this clip from a UK tv show in Alabama may change your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQy9qm8sGk

The reason atheists do not get this treatment is because they are (most of the time) intelligent enough not to do daft things (hey! maybe that is why we are freethinkers) and fortunately we might think we know what someone is thinking but we can&#039;t see it.  Not like skin colour to a racist. But why not go down south with your &quot;I&#039;m an atheist and proud of it&quot; -shirt on and see how you get on.  Go to an open air rally and start quoting from Dawkins.  I dare you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A previous commentator said<br />
<em>when was the last time a guy was dragged behind a truck for not praying? Or beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die because he was caught reading Dawkins?</em></p>
<p>Well this clip from a UK tv show in Alabama may change your mind.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQy9qm8sGk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYQy9qm8sGk</a></p>
<p>The reason atheists do not get this treatment is because they are (most of the time) intelligent enough not to do daft things (hey! maybe that is why we are freethinkers) and fortunately we might think we know what someone is thinking but we can&#8217;t see it.  Not like skin colour to a racist. But why not go down south with your &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist and proud of it&#8221; -shirt on and see how you get on.  Go to an open air rally and start quoting from Dawkins.  I dare you.</p>
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		<title>By: vjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>vjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just did another post on this story this morning. I really wish we could keep it in the news until we get a public apology, but I&#039;m not sure how best to accomplish this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did another post on this story this morning. I really wish we could keep it in the news until we get a public apology, but I&#8217;m not sure how best to accomplish this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Monica Davis is God&#039;s gift to atheism.

The usual theocrats and opponents of secularism are stunningly silent on this incident--and you can&#039;t say that this hasn&#039;t hit the mainstream media.  The fact that they haven&#039;t embraced, or at least defended her may mean there is a place of bigotry where even they won&#039;t go. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.halfheartedfanatic.com/2008/04/gods-gift-to-atheism-monique-davis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve written more on this here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Monica Davis is God&#8217;s gift to atheism.</p>
<p>The usual theocrats and opponents of secularism are stunningly silent on this incident&#8211;and you can&#8217;t say that this hasn&#8217;t hit the mainstream media.  The fact that they haven&#8217;t embraced, or at least defended her may mean there is a place of bigotry where even they won&#8217;t go. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.halfheartedfanatic.com/2008/04/gods-gift-to-atheism-monique-davis.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve written more on this here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
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		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 26 year old Kraut/mick/etc-American... 

Something about Sherman&#039;s words struck me as offensive the first time I read them.  There&#039;s something ...well, something made me uneasy when a white man referred to a black woman as a Negro, whilst comparing his situation to that of Rosa Parks, whilst saying that the black woman should understand what it&#039;s like to be discriminated against.

My first reaction was that he was basically calling Davis what white males called Rosa Parks in her time: an uppity, uh, to censor for today, Negro.  

Now I see it differently: it was a hasty attempt to appeal to her status as a minority to understand the quashing of the rights of a minority outside of her own.  

That said... black Americans were brought here in chains and forced to work under bondage for over 200 years, and then when freed still were treated as second-class (or worse) citizens for another 100 years, and now 40 years later there&#039;s still enormous gaps between white America and black America.  We atheists try to compare ourselves to other minority groups in America in order to build understanding, but, seriously... when was the last time a guy was dragged behind a truck for not praying?  Or beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die because he was caught reading Dawkins?  

So, yeah, Sherman said something that was worded pretty badly, and if we pretended that it had instead read:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Now that queers like Representative Monique Davis have political power&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We probably would kindly ask Sherman to reconsider his words.  ...right?

That all being said, he used a non-neutral racial word after being told by a state representative that his people were destroying America.  Everyone involved had a bad day, and cooler heads a week and a half later are thankfully calling for beneficial dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 26 year old Kraut/mick/etc-American&#8230; </p>
<p>Something about Sherman&#8217;s words struck me as offensive the first time I read them.  There&#8217;s something &#8230;well, something made me uneasy when a white man referred to a black woman as a Negro, whilst comparing his situation to that of Rosa Parks, whilst saying that the black woman should understand what it&#8217;s like to be discriminated against.</p>
<p>My first reaction was that he was basically calling Davis what white males called Rosa Parks in her time: an uppity, uh, to censor for today, Negro.  </p>
<p>Now I see it differently: it was a hasty attempt to appeal to her status as a minority to understand the quashing of the rights of a minority outside of her own.  </p>
<p>That said&#8230; black Americans were brought here in chains and forced to work under bondage for over 200 years, and then when freed still were treated as second-class (or worse) citizens for another 100 years, and now 40 years later there&#8217;s still enormous gaps between white America and black America.  We atheists try to compare ourselves to other minority groups in America in order to build understanding, but, seriously&#8230; when was the last time a guy was dragged behind a truck for not praying?  Or beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die because he was caught reading Dawkins?  </p>
<p>So, yeah, Sherman said something that was worded pretty badly, and if we pretended that it had instead read:</p>
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Now that queers like Representative Monique Davis have political power</p></blockquote>
<p>We probably would kindly ask Sherman to reconsider his words.  &#8230;right?</p>
<p>That all being said, he used a non-neutral racial word after being told by a state representative that his people were destroying America.  Everyone involved had a bad day, and cooler heads a week and a half later are thankfully calling for beneficial dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie Soule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie Soule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thank you Claire!&lt;/strong&gt;  I had also looked up those three quotes, and found the same thing, but I was just too tired to write it all out.  Must be getting old...

Signed, an Albino Limey.  
Funny.  I&#039;ve never considered limey a slur, but it&#039;s in that database.  Now lobsterback on the other hand.... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thank you Claire!</strong>  I had also looked up those three quotes, and found the same thing, but I was just too tired to write it all out.  Must be getting old&#8230;</p>
<p>Signed, an Albino Limey.<br />
Funny.  I&#8217;ve never considered limey a slur, but it&#8217;s in that database.  Now lobsterback on the other hand&#8230;. <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miller said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you ask Wikipedia, “negro” is totally an ethnic slur (there are 3 citations!)&lt;/blockquote&gt;Wikipedia is scarcely an authoritative source, and this is one of the times when it really wasn&#039;t a good choice at all to prove a point. If you actually check out those Wikipedia citations, they don&#039;t hold up very well.  

The first citation links to an online dictionary which says the word &#039;Negro&#039; is sometimes offensive, which means it isn&#039;t always. Then it refers the reader to the usage notes under &#039;black&#039;, and those usage notes don&#039;t say it&#039;s offensive at all, just outdated. 

The second citation is to an article about changing place names in Florida, and it makes it clear that in the names they are changing, it was used as a substitute for the other &#039;n&#039; word. 

The third citation links to a &#039;database&#039; of ethnic slurs that includes a lot of words that are not really slurs at all, except when used as intentionally as such,  for example: Canadian(?), coalminer(??), and sputnik(???).  It&#039;s far from an authoritative source, since the original database basically consists of everyone contributing anything they think is a slur, which is hardly a rigorous criteria for inclusion.  

I&#039;m with Karen, Mriana, Laurie et al - it&#039;s not necessarily offensive, just outmoded (I&#039;m 52, for what it&#039;s worth).  I don&#039;t use it, because I move with the times, but neither would I automatically think that anyone using it meant it as a slur.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miller said:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you ask Wikipedia, “negro” is totally an ethnic slur (there are 3 citations!)</p></blockquote>
<p>Wikipedia is scarcely an authoritative source, and this is one of the times when it really wasn&#8217;t a good choice at all to prove a point. If you actually check out those Wikipedia citations, they don&#8217;t hold up very well.  </p>
<p>The first citation links to an online dictionary which says the word &#8216;Negro&#8217; is sometimes offensive, which means it isn&#8217;t always. Then it refers the reader to the usage notes under &#8216;black&#8217;, and those usage notes don&#8217;t say it&#8217;s offensive at all, just outdated. </p>
<p>The second citation is to an article about changing place names in Florida, and it makes it clear that in the names they are changing, it was used as a substitute for the other &#8216;n&#8217; word. </p>
<p>The third citation links to a &#8216;database&#8217; of ethnic slurs that includes a lot of words that are not really slurs at all, except when used as intentionally as such,  for example: Canadian(?), coalminer(??), and sputnik(???).  It&#8217;s far from an authoritative source, since the original database basically consists of everyone contributing anything they think is a slur, which is hardly a rigorous criteria for inclusion.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Karen, Mriana, Laurie et al &#8211; it&#8217;s not necessarily offensive, just outmoded (I&#8217;m 52, for what it&#8217;s worth).  I don&#8217;t use it, because I move with the times, but neither would I automatically think that anyone using it meant it as a slur.</p>
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		<title>By: miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ask Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;negro&quot; is totally an ethnic slur (there are 3 citations!); the few exceptions include the United Negro College Fund and in Brazil.  Yes, all of you who didn&#039;t know it was pejorative, you really do need to get with it.

You especially need be conscious of these things if you are a civil rights activist who is working towards consciousness-raising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro" rel="nofollow">ask Wikipedia</a>, &#8220;negro&#8221; is totally an ethnic slur (there are 3 citations!); the few exceptions include the United Negro College Fund and in Brazil.  Yes, all of you who didn&#8217;t know it was pejorative, you really do need to get with it.</p>
<p>You especially need be conscious of these things if you are a civil rights activist who is working towards consciousness-raising.</p>
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		<title>By: kwandongbrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwandongbrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 40 year old Canadian here; I would never use the &#039;N&#039; word with two &#039;g&#039;s but I thought &#039;negro&#039; was safe.
I think it is a little clunky or old-fashioned but safe to use.
On the other hand, my Firefox spell-check tells me it is misspelled, though, and the closest word it offers is &quot;negroid&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 40 year old Canadian here; I would never use the &#8216;N&#8217; word with two &#8216;g&#8217;s but I thought &#8216;negro&#8217; was safe.<br />
I think it is a little clunky or old-fashioned but safe to use.<br />
On the other hand, my Firefox spell-check tells me it is misspelled, though, and the closest word it offers is &#8220;negroid&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;In all honesty, I view this man as a throw back to a different generation, who in the heat of the moment went back to old words, which were acceptable for his time&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree with this. The word is outdated but it&#039;s clearly not pejorative, and I don&#039;t know why people think it is, unless they&#039;re confused about language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In all honesty, I view this man as a throw back to a different generation, who in the heat of the moment went back to old words, which were acceptable for his time</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with this. The word is outdated but it&#8217;s clearly not pejorative, and I don&#8217;t know why people think it is, unless they&#8217;re confused about language.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m only 36 and I never knew negro was considered offensive.
It&#039;s no more offensive than caucasian.
I agree he should not have made a broad generalization based on race, but the use of that word seemed perfectly appropriate to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only 36 and I never knew negro was considered offensive.<br />
It&#8217;s no more offensive than caucasian.<br />
I agree he should not have made a broad generalization based on race, but the use of that word seemed perfectly appropriate to me.</p>
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