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		<title>By: Christophe Thill</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/04/uganda-or-america/comment-page-1/#comment-149826</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe Thill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/04/relying_on_prayer_instead_of_medicine.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recent news&lt;/a&gt; prove that, even if you live in the country with the most advanced healthcare in the world (I&#039;m talking about technological capacities, not about the percent of people able to receive it), you can &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; prefer to rely on prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/04/relying_on_prayer_instead_of_medicine.php" rel="nofollow">recent news</a> prove that, even if you live in the country with the most advanced healthcare in the world (I&#8217;m talking about technological capacities, not about the percent of people able to receive it), you can <em>still</em> prefer to rely on prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Fyurien</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/04/uganda-or-america/comment-page-1/#comment-149651</link>
		<dc:creator>Fyurien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Atheists, heres some interesting reading...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673663.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome &lt;/a&gt;

Its amazing how scientists can work for their entire lives, dedicating hours upon hours of their time and study to understanding the physical world, then, a religious nutbag comes along and leapfrogs all the work and proudly proclaims &quot;What, you have a deeper more complete understanding of the world as we know it?  Well, God must have been responsible for that new thing you just discovered too.&quot;  Then they just wait around till the next profound discovery and leapfrog that idea too.  

Oddly enough, the religious nutbag in this case is also the scientist.  Clearly, he is convinced that God must certainly exist now.  The proof is in the genes.  Shumuck!!

Anyway... I guess stupidity comes in all flavors, even the highly educated kind unfortunately.  Being intelligent and being smart seem to be mutually exclusive.

Ash, dont hate me because I&#039;m sarcastic... don&#039;t worry, everyone gets a fair dose of it, not just atheists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Atheists, heres some interesting reading&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673663.ece" rel="nofollow"> I’ve found God, says man who cracked the genome </a></p>
<p>Its amazing how scientists can work for their entire lives, dedicating hours upon hours of their time and study to understanding the physical world, then, a religious nutbag comes along and leapfrogs all the work and proudly proclaims &#8220;What, you have a deeper more complete understanding of the world as we know it?  Well, God must have been responsible for that new thing you just discovered too.&#8221;  Then they just wait around till the next profound discovery and leapfrog that idea too.  </p>
<p>Oddly enough, the religious nutbag in this case is also the scientist.  Clearly, he is convinced that God must certainly exist now.  The proof is in the genes.  Shumuck!!</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; I guess stupidity comes in all flavors, even the highly educated kind unfortunately.  Being intelligent and being smart seem to be mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>Ash, dont hate me because I&#8217;m sarcastic&#8230; don&#8217;t worry, everyone gets a fair dose of it, not just atheists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m rooting for a new &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shaker&lt;/a&gt; movement where Christians consider ALL sex sinful even within marriage.  Then if all Christians convert to this midset, the [religious] problem will take care of itself after a couple generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m rooting for a new <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers" rel="nofollow">Shaker</a> movement where Christians consider ALL sex sinful even within marriage.  Then if all Christians convert to this midset, the [religious] problem will take care of itself after a couple generations.</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, chuckles here....

i would address your points, but other than &#039;blah blah blah i&#039;m-so-much-better-than everyone else blah blah&#039;, i haven&#039;t seen any...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, chuckles here&#8230;.</p>
<p>i would address your points, but other than &#8216;blah blah blah i&#8217;m-so-much-better-than everyone else blah blah&#8217;, i haven&#8217;t seen any&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fyurien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fyurien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a near whisper I declare...

Silly Atheists why so serious,
I ask, I wonder and am so curious.
A turn a phrase, a quote or two,
And a silly reference I give to you.

Actually, I&#039;ve never really liked Shake-a-spear... too wordy, and just about impossible to understand.   I&#039;ve also never really liked people that take themselves too serious.  Problem with these people (Bdox and Siamang) is, they take themselves too serious.  =)   It seems that everyone here, with the pleasant exception of Claire have gone the way of the Spartans at Thermopylae.  Lay down your arms fair Atheists... this was just a simple point I made, and it so happened that a heavy sarcasm came along with it.   

Arguing for the existence of Not God, is just as silly as arguing for the existence of God.  Neither of you know, you just to choose to believe or believe not.  Simple!  Thus, fellow atheists, saying believers are wrong is just as mistaken as believers saying you are wrong.  No one is wrong, and yet obviously, no one is right.   God as we have come to define him is, for lack of more coffee in my blood, unknowable.  Religious types have set up god this way for a reason.   And whats more, at some point they must have realized that this monotheistic God was too unknowable and was a bit too difficult for people to relate to, so they created a heavenly proxy and called him Jesus.  Now the people had someone to relate to.  Half man, half God and can kick some serious hydra butt... wait no that was another half god/man dude.   Personally, I rather like mythology, and would much rather believe in Zeus.  Anyone here with me?  We can start a blog &quot;FriendlyMythologist&quot; =)

And as for the turn of phrase and pomposity/verbosity, its because... as Claire was able to pickup on, I was just being whimsical.  I don&#039;t bother with serious argument unless there is a serious topic to be argued... seriously.  So, serious argument aside, I took to more whimsical pastures.  Take yourself too serious, and hang on to your ideas too hard, and the simple musings of a whimsical no one like me is likely to make you ever so defensive.   Forget his point... lets just make fun of him.  =P

All I&#039;m saying is... keep an open mind.  Even science has its God Particle (LHC) and Dark Matter.  No evidence of it, but hey, they&#039;re keeping an open mind.  Should be interesting to see what happens when the press the big red button in Switzerland.   I already got the popcorn ready.

PS: Bdox and Siamang, read the bit about argumentative devices up several comments, especially the part about ad hominem.  Then you might not get so many whiffs of young self absorbed men suffering from solipsism (crazy word there, I had to Google it)  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a near whisper I declare&#8230;</p>
<p>Silly Atheists why so serious,<br />
I ask, I wonder and am so curious.<br />
A turn a phrase, a quote or two,<br />
And a silly reference I give to you.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve never really liked Shake-a-spear&#8230; too wordy, and just about impossible to understand.   I&#8217;ve also never really liked people that take themselves too serious.  Problem with these people (Bdox and Siamang) is, they take themselves too serious.  =)   It seems that everyone here, with the pleasant exception of Claire have gone the way of the Spartans at Thermopylae.  Lay down your arms fair Atheists&#8230; this was just a simple point I made, and it so happened that a heavy sarcasm came along with it.   </p>
<p>Arguing for the existence of Not God, is just as silly as arguing for the existence of God.  Neither of you know, you just to choose to believe or believe not.  Simple!  Thus, fellow atheists, saying believers are wrong is just as mistaken as believers saying you are wrong.  No one is wrong, and yet obviously, no one is right.   God as we have come to define him is, for lack of more coffee in my blood, unknowable.  Religious types have set up god this way for a reason.   And whats more, at some point they must have realized that this monotheistic God was too unknowable and was a bit too difficult for people to relate to, so they created a heavenly proxy and called him Jesus.  Now the people had someone to relate to.  Half man, half God and can kick some serious hydra butt&#8230; wait no that was another half god/man dude.   Personally, I rather like mythology, and would much rather believe in Zeus.  Anyone here with me?  We can start a blog &#8220;FriendlyMythologist&#8221; =)</p>
<p>And as for the turn of phrase and pomposity/verbosity, its because&#8230; as Claire was able to pickup on, I was just being whimsical.  I don&#8217;t bother with serious argument unless there is a serious topic to be argued&#8230; seriously.  So, serious argument aside, I took to more whimsical pastures.  Take yourself too serious, and hang on to your ideas too hard, and the simple musings of a whimsical no one like me is likely to make you ever so defensive.   Forget his point&#8230; lets just make fun of him.  =P</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is&#8230; keep an open mind.  Even science has its God Particle (LHC) and Dark Matter.  No evidence of it, but hey, they&#8217;re keeping an open mind.  Should be interesting to see what happens when the press the big red button in Switzerland.   I already got the popcorn ready.</p>
<p>PS: Bdox and Siamang, read the bit about argumentative devices up several comments, especially the part about ad hominem.  Then you might not get so many whiffs of young self absorbed men suffering from solipsism (crazy word there, I had to Google it)  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody studies too much Shakespeare in his junior high school.

I get a strong whiff of a young man trying awfully hard to impress himself.  Intelligent, yes, but self-impressed to the point of solipsism.

Fyurien,

When you are done pleasuring yourself with your witty turns of phrase, and your references to erudite characters from literature (eg. Captain Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean), you might find it a bit more enlightening to attempt to clearly communicate yourself to other members of the human species.

Because, believe it or not, a world exists outside of yourself.  I know, I didn&#039;t believe it either when I was your age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody studies too much Shakespeare in his junior high school.</p>
<p>I get a strong whiff of a young man trying awfully hard to impress himself.  Intelligent, yes, but self-impressed to the point of solipsism.</p>
<p>Fyurien,</p>
<p>When you are done pleasuring yourself with your witty turns of phrase, and your references to erudite characters from literature (eg. Captain Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean), you might find it a bit more enlightening to attempt to clearly communicate yourself to other members of the human species.</p>
<p>Because, believe it or not, a world exists outside of yourself.  I know, I didn&#8217;t believe it either when I was your age.</p>
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		<title>By: Bdox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bdox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked False Prophet&#039;s idea of religion being a &quot;slave morality&quot; which somehow ennobles them, even being in the most oppressed and onerous strata of society.  It works, why else would they buy it?  Reminds me of Plato&#039;s &quot;the cave&quot; and the kind of mentality that can develop.

Claire, I think I love you!  You get the prize for recognizing the chemical influence.  And what else, the need to talk overriding the need to make sense?

And Fyurien, your pomposity and verbosity have done you in.  Your unwillingness to take a position I think is just your way of making jabs against others while having nothing of your own that you must defend.  It is like the amoral man who claims that his position is only &quot;change&quot; which means that when you find fault with him, his philosophy allows him to change or to throw away whatever idea is being criticized.  It works, but there is nobody inside.

Jesse, I did not ignore your question.  I&#039;m still thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked False Prophet&#8217;s idea of religion being a &#8220;slave morality&#8221; which somehow ennobles them, even being in the most oppressed and onerous strata of society.  It works, why else would they buy it?  Reminds me of Plato&#8217;s &#8220;the cave&#8221; and the kind of mentality that can develop.</p>
<p>Claire, I think I love you!  You get the prize for recognizing the chemical influence.  And what else, the need to talk overriding the need to make sense?</p>
<p>And Fyurien, your pomposity and verbosity have done you in.  Your unwillingness to take a position I think is just your way of making jabs against others while having nothing of your own that you must defend.  It is like the amoral man who claims that his position is only &#8220;change&#8221; which means that when you find fault with him, his philosophy allows him to change or to throw away whatever idea is being criticized.  It works, but there is nobody inside.</p>
<p>Jesse, I did not ignore your question.  I&#8217;m still thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fyurien</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/04/04/uganda-or-america/comment-page-1/#comment-149599</link>
		<dc:creator>Fyurien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Claire! =)

No worries, its all good. I can imagine you get plenty of trolls here. Lots of individuals suffering from some sort of conviction or faith. Anyway, cool blog here! Its awesome to see so many people participating I&#039;m the discussion. If you ever have an interesting topic and would like a sarcastic comment let me know. Its fyurien at gmail dot com. =)

PS: No stonner here... Just a little philosophy and Greek rhetoric. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Claire! =)</p>
<p>No worries, its all good. I can imagine you get plenty of trolls here. Lots of individuals suffering from some sort of conviction or faith. Anyway, cool blog here! Its awesome to see so many people participating I&#8217;m the discussion. If you ever have an interesting topic and would like a sarcastic comment let me know. Its fyurien at gmail dot com. =)</p>
<p>PS: No stonner here&#8230; Just a little philosophy and Greek rhetoric. =)</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Fyurien, I really am, but seriously, you truly did sound a &lt;em&gt;lot&lt;/em&gt; like one stoner room-mate I had in college, and she tended to get even more fanciful than normal under the influence. She was also a philosophy major, which cranked it up yet another notch.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So my analogy to your delight is that Atheists are as certain God does not exist as Christians are the Zeus does not exist.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Ok, that I understand.  Much clearer!  

I don&#039;t think we are all that sensitive a bunch, normally, but this last week or two the trolls have been coming out of the woodwork, for whatever reason.  It just wasn&#039;t a good time to spring whimsy on us without warning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Fyurien, I really am, but seriously, you truly did sound a <em>lot</em> like one stoner room-mate I had in college, and she tended to get even more fanciful than normal under the influence. She was also a philosophy major, which cranked it up yet another notch.</p>
<blockquote><p>So my analogy to your delight is that Atheists are as certain God does not exist as Christians are the Zeus does not exist.</p></blockquote>
<p> Ok, that I understand.  Much clearer!  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are all that sensitive a bunch, normally, but this last week or two the trolls have been coming out of the woodwork, for whatever reason.  It just wasn&#8217;t a good time to spring whimsy on us without warning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fyurien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fyurien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>False Prophet...

Well said... I think that also explains all the virgins in heaven.  I mean if life really sucks here, lets convince ourselves its really, really great, not here (heaven).  What would be great is there were nothing but camels up there... I mean seriously, the universe must have a sense of humor right?

=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>False Prophet&#8230;</p>
<p>Well said&#8230; I think that also explains all the virgins in heaven.  I mean if life really sucks here, lets convince ourselves its really, really great, not here (heaven).  What would be great is there were nothing but camels up there&#8230; I mean seriously, the universe must have a sense of humor right?</p>
<p>=)</p>
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