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	<title>Comments on: Statue of Liberty, Jesus, and Flying Spaghetti Monster</title>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be a satire but it is truly disturbing how popular this mockery has become. The fact that Christianity is the single religion  being ridiculed in this manner is interesting.I doubt we will see a popular book like this on Buddhism or Islamic religions. I do not have anything against atheists. They can believe whatever they want, but I can assure you that no Christian will write a book like this about their &quot;Faith&quot; or lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be a satire but it is truly disturbing how popular this mockery has become. The fact that Christianity is the single religion  being ridiculed in this manner is interesting.I doubt we will see a popular book like this on Buddhism or Islamic religions. I do not have anything against atheists. They can believe whatever they want, but I can assure you that no Christian will write a book like this about their &#8220;Faith&#8221; or lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
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		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes words fail to register how surprised I am at human chutzpah, so, I&#039;ll just say it like this: 0_0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes words fail to register how surprised I am at human chutzpah, so, I&#8217;ll just say it like this: 0_0</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Very&lt;/em&gt; mature.

&lt;blockquote&gt;halfwitted zealots like you&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In this thread alone you claimed that Muslims outnumber Christians, that Catholics outnumber Muslims, and then apologized &quot;to all&quot;, apparently not knowing what &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; means.  Identifying the &quot;halfwit&quot; is left as an exercise to the reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Very</em> mature.</p>
<blockquote><p>halfwitted zealots like you</p></blockquote>
<p>In this thread alone you claimed that Muslims outnumber Christians, that Catholics outnumber Muslims, and then apologized &#8220;to all&#8221;, apparently not knowing what <em>all</em> means.  Identifying the &#8220;halfwit&#8221; is left as an exercise to the reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Sam,

They didn&#039;t &quot;replace God&quot;. Since we don&#039;t believe in any such thing as god, we interpret what they did as simply replacing a fictitious symbol with another symbol. A delicious, high carbohydrate symbol.

One of the reasons the FSM is funny to us is because it&#039;s not funny to you. So I guess in that sense; please rail on my good man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sam,</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t &#8220;replace God&#8221;. Since we don&#8217;t believe in any such thing as god, we interpret what they did as simply replacing a fictitious symbol with another symbol. A delicious, high carbohydrate symbol.</p>
<p>One of the reasons the FSM is funny to us is because it&#8217;s not funny to you. So I guess in that sense; please rail on my good man!</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam said 
&lt;blockquote&gt;replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.&lt;/blockquote&gt; That&#039;s not gratuitous disrespect, that&#039;s necessary, useful, and above all &lt;em&gt;valid&lt;/em&gt; disrespect, and that&#039;s mild compared to what it really deserves.  2000+ years of crap, and funny thing, people get tired of having it shoved down their throats. Your religion gets far more than the zero respect it warrants, and the occasional FSM statue barely &lt;em&gt;begins&lt;/em&gt; to redress the balance.  

Tell you what - when your religion stops trying to take over our government, pretending it has a monopoly on morality, and generally encouraging people to be halfwitted zealots like you, then we can revisit whether it deserves any respect, and not until.

Oh, and I left out a caveat on the apology - it was for everyone BUT you, jackass - you deserve nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam said </p>
<blockquote><p>replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.</p></blockquote>
<p> That&#8217;s not gratuitous disrespect, that&#8217;s necessary, useful, and above all <em>valid</em> disrespect, and that&#8217;s mild compared to what it really deserves.  2000+ years of crap, and funny thing, people get tired of having it shoved down their throats. Your religion gets far more than the zero respect it warrants, and the occasional FSM statue barely <em>begins</em> to redress the balance.  </p>
<p>Tell you what &#8211; when your religion stops trying to take over our government, pretending it has a monopoly on morality, and generally encouraging people to be halfwitted zealots like you, then we can revisit whether it deserves any respect, and not until.</p>
<p>Oh, and I left out a caveat on the apology &#8211; it was for everyone BUT you, jackass &#8211; you deserve nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: jtradke</title>
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		<dc:creator>jtradke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claire - I think we&#039;re basically in agreement, and I&#039;m probably just quibbling over the nuanced connotations of satire, ridicule, poking fun, humor, blah blah blah.  Maybe I read too much defensiveness into the tone of the FSM sculptors&#039; response.  I mean, when you are equating someone&#039;s imagined creator of the heavens with meatballs, you can&#039;t really be shocked when somebody finds it offensive, like certain individuals in this thread.

On a completely unrelated topic, Sam said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wordplay can’t change the fact that replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sam - it&#039;s pretty hard to take you seriously when you&#039;re being disrespectful yourself.  That&#039;s called hypocrisy, and it&#039;s not very endearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire &#8211; I think we&#8217;re basically in agreement, and I&#8217;m probably just quibbling over the nuanced connotations of satire, ridicule, poking fun, humor, blah blah blah.  Maybe I read too much defensiveness into the tone of the FSM sculptors&#8217; response.  I mean, when you are equating someone&#8217;s imagined creator of the heavens with meatballs, you can&#8217;t really be shocked when somebody finds it offensive, like certain individuals in this thread.</p>
<p>On a completely unrelated topic, Sam said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wordplay can’t change the fact that replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sam &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty hard to take you seriously when you&#8217;re being disrespectful yourself.  That&#8217;s called hypocrisy, and it&#8217;s not very endearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My bad on the comparative numbers, though. He was right about those, it was catholics that now outnumber muslims, not all christians, as I found when I went back to check on the article I had seen. As they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Apparently not.  You &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; have it wrong.  The Muslims now outnumber the Catholics.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Burning heritics at the stake isn’t very nice either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Because people were burned at the stake centuries ago, you need to do wrong today?  Does that really makes sense?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Some people here seem to think that the primary purpose of satire is to ridicule, and I don’t - to me, satire points out flaws and does it with humor, and I don’t see that as equivalent to ridicule. Those who consider any criticism as unacceptable may see it differently.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wordplay can&#039;t change the fact that replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to apologize to all for lowering the tone of the conversation&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Apology accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My bad on the comparative numbers, though. He was right about those, it was catholics that now outnumber muslims, not all christians, as I found when I went back to check on the article I had seen. As they say, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently not.  You <em>still</em> have it wrong.  The Muslims now outnumber the Catholics.</p>
<blockquote><p>Burning heritics at the stake isn’t very nice either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because people were burned at the stake centuries ago, you need to do wrong today?  Does that really makes sense?</p>
<blockquote><p>Some people here seem to think that the primary purpose of satire is to ridicule, and I don’t &#8211; to me, satire points out flaws and does it with humor, and I don’t see that as equivalent to ridicule. Those who consider any criticism as unacceptable may see it differently.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wordplay can&#8217;t change the fact that replacing God with spaghetti and meatballs on a famous painting is sheer ridicule and gratuitously disrespectful.</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to apologize to all for lowering the tone of the conversation</p></blockquote>
<p>Apology accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
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		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on-topic to the thread, satire sometimes uses ridicule to make its point.  

The FSM was created to protest the inclusion of faith-based ideas in a scientific context.  The FSM has since been photoshopped into faith-based artwork.  Is that going too far?  ...no, it&#039;s art, and art doesn&#039;t hurt anyone.  (Unless you&#039;re Danish?)

Also, 

&lt;em&gt;The free speech zone began in 2006 after the American Civil Liberties Union in Nashville sent the county a letter asking if the display of a Moses statue meant the county was creating a free speech zone.&lt;/em&gt;

So in this particular instance, a Christian &#039;started the fight&#039; by putting a religiously-motivated statue onto public land.  When that happened, did the mayor say that the statue was an attempt to minimize and ridicule the good intentions of non-Christians in Cumberland County?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on-topic to the thread, satire sometimes uses ridicule to make its point.  </p>
<p>The FSM was created to protest the inclusion of faith-based ideas in a scientific context.  The FSM has since been photoshopped into faith-based artwork.  Is that going too far?  &#8230;no, it&#8217;s art, and art doesn&#8217;t hurt anyone.  (Unless you&#8217;re Danish?)</p>
<p>Also, </p>
<p><em>The free speech zone began in 2006 after the American Civil Liberties Union in Nashville sent the county a letter asking if the display of a Moses statue meant the county was creating a free speech zone.</em></p>
<p>So in this particular instance, a Christian &#8217;started the fight&#8217; by putting a religiously-motivated statue onto public land.  When that happened, did the mayor say that the statue was an attempt to minimize and ridicule the good intentions of non-Christians in Cumberland County?</p>
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		<title>By: cautious</title>
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		<dc:creator>cautious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s all the women here that are owed an apology, not just me.&lt;/em&gt;

Claire, I totally agree, and I think you set a good example by apologizing for some not-well-thought-out phrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s all the women here that are owed an apology, not just me.</em></p>
<p>Claire, I totally agree, and I think you set a good example by apologizing for some not-well-thought-out phrase.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free thinkers in Tennessee!! I&#039;m loving it. :-)</description>
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