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		<title>By: Gullwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gullwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gullwatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gullwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stogoe, it&#039;s not just a rumor,and it&#039;s not a vague fear of upsetting them.  This quote is from that article I linked to before, from 2000: &lt;blockquote&gt;Several months ago, the Mormons drew another line in the sand over a controversial issue: if BSA units (the troops and packs sponsored by religious and other organizations) must accept homosexuals as leaders, the church would drop out and take its 400,000 scouts -- about 12 percent of the BSA&#039;s total membership -- with it. &lt;/blockquote&gt; The other biggest sponsor is the catholic church.  Churches are a major source of both funding and other support.  And yes, there are welcoming and tolerant churches out there who protest the restriction and would be happy to see the BSA include the gay community, but those aren&#039;t the major sources of their funding. 

 Is it any wonder they ban both gays and atheists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stogoe, it&#8217;s not just a rumor,and it&#8217;s not a vague fear of upsetting them.  This quote is from that article I linked to before, from 2000:<br />
<blockquote>Several months ago, the Mormons drew another line in the sand over a controversial issue: if BSA units (the troops and packs sponsored by religious and other organizations) must accept homosexuals as leaders, the church would drop out and take its 400,000 scouts &#8212; about 12 percent of the BSA&#8217;s total membership &#8212; with it. </p></blockquote>
<p> The other biggest sponsor is the catholic church.  Churches are a major source of both funding and other support.  And yes, there are welcoming and tolerant churches out there who protest the restriction and would be happy to see the BSA include the gay community, but those aren&#8217;t the major sources of their funding. </p>
<p> Is it any wonder they ban both gays and atheists?</p>
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		<title>By: stogoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>stogoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know for certain that it&#039;s just the Mormons, or them at all.  It&#039;s just what I&#039;ve oft heard repeated in BSA discussions - that there are a ton of Mormon boy scouts and troops, and upsetting them enough to make them leave (i.e, by allowing atheists and/or gays to join and participate) would be a bad thing for the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know for certain that it&#8217;s just the Mormons, or them at all.  It&#8217;s just what I&#8217;ve oft heard repeated in BSA discussions &#8211; that there are a ton of Mormon boy scouts and troops, and upsetting them enough to make them leave (i.e, by allowing atheists and/or gays to join and participate) would be a bad thing for the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is worse than just the BSA.
Some overtly religious groups are targets of earmarks for HUD and other agencies.
The Americans United for Separation of Church and State has protested many of them.  I&#039;m involved with the American Humanists in opposing another.
The AU letter can be seen here:
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&amp;page=NewsArticle&amp;id=9679
And the actual list of earmarks can be seen here:
http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/omni/jes/jesdivk.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is worse than just the BSA.<br />
Some overtly religious groups are targets of earmarks for HUD and other agencies.<br />
The Americans United for Separation of Church and State has protested many of them.  I&#8217;m involved with the American Humanists in opposing another.<br />
The AU letter can be seen here:<br />
<a href="http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&amp;page=NewsArticle&amp;id=9679" rel="nofollow">http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=pr&amp;page=NewsArticle&amp;id=9679</a><br />
And the actual list of earmarks can be seen here:<br />
<a href="http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/omni/jes/jesdivk.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rules.house.gov/110/text/omni/jes/jesdivk.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Stogoe, I had no idea that the mormons were behing the BSA&#039;s discriminatory policies.  No wonder that what is a fine group in the rest of the world is in the crapper here.  

If anyone else in interested in the history, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlandphoenix.com/archive/features/00/09/15/Scouts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; which seems to be a fairly factual and impartial account of where the BSA went wrong.  

By &#039;impartial&#039; I mean that it mentions as well some christian organizations that oppose the BSA&#039;s discriminatory practices against gays and have tried to get the BSA to change its policies.   It doesn&#039;t mention anything about atheists, but then the article is about what the BSA has against the gay community, so the author probably considered it a side issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Stogoe, I had no idea that the mormons were behing the BSA&#8217;s discriminatory policies.  No wonder that what is a fine group in the rest of the world is in the crapper here.  </p>
<p>If anyone else in interested in the history, I found <a href="http://www.portlandphoenix.com/archive/features/00/09/15/Scouts.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> which seems to be a fairly factual and impartial account of where the BSA went wrong.  </p>
<p>By &#8216;impartial&#8217; I mean that it mentions as well some christian organizations that oppose the BSA&#8217;s discriminatory practices against gays and have tried to get the BSA to change its policies.   It doesn&#8217;t mention anything about atheists, but then the article is about what the BSA has against the gay community, so the author probably considered it a side issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After contacting HUD headquaters in DC about this issue I got this response:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Thank you for contacting the hotline on this issue. It is currently an ongoing investigation with the issues being currently addressed. Have a nice day. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
This and my original message was all that was included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After contacting HUD headquaters in DC about this issue I got this response:</p>
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Thank you for contacting the hotline on this issue. It is currently an ongoing investigation with the issues being currently addressed. Have a nice day. </p></blockquote>
<p>This and my original message was all that was included.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All religions, and Atheists are allowed in scouting. The misconception stems from the fact that many scout troops are sponsored by religious organizations. In this case, you can easily find another sponsoring organization that is not affiliated with a church/temple/mosque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All religions, and Atheists are allowed in scouting. The misconception stems from the fact that many scout troops are sponsored by religious organizations. In this case, you can easily find another sponsoring organization that is not affiliated with a church/temple/mosque.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t know if that’s a true assumption - “grant-receiving group can discriminate against anyone who wants to use the service.” Pretty sure I’m too old to join the boy or girl scouts, i can’t go to public school (age discrimination?) I can’t seem to get any help from welfare… (wealth discrimination?) and can’t seem to get the pain meds I want… (what, now i’m being discriminated because I’m healthy?) They won’t let me play on the local high school basketball team - it really sucks… I don’t get any money from homeless shelters… they tell me to go back to my house… but for better or worse, there is obvious discrimination that takes place. The real question is of he nature of that discrimination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can be a scout leader.  Public school graduate?  You got your public education but you can go to public university.  You can get welfare if you need it and won&#039;t be discriminated against if you need it.  Your doctor will prescribe necessary meds.   You can try out for a NBA team and make the team if you are good enough.  You can stay at a homeless shelter if you are in line early enough and weather conditions determine it needs to be open. The nature of the discrimination of the BSA?  Superstitious bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know if that’s a true assumption &#8211; “grant-receiving group can discriminate against anyone who wants to use the service.” Pretty sure I’m too old to join the boy or girl scouts, i can’t go to public school (age discrimination?) I can’t seem to get any help from welfare… (wealth discrimination?) and can’t seem to get the pain meds I want… (what, now i’m being discriminated because I’m healthy?) They won’t let me play on the local high school basketball team &#8211; it really sucks… I don’t get any money from homeless shelters… they tell me to go back to my house… but for better or worse, there is obvious discrimination that takes place. The real question is of he nature of that discrimination.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can be a scout leader.  Public school graduate?  You got your public education but you can go to public university.  You can get welfare if you need it and won&#8217;t be discriminated against if you need it.  Your doctor will prescribe necessary meds.   You can try out for a NBA team and make the team if you are good enough.  You can stay at a homeless shelter if you are in line early enough and weather conditions determine it needs to be open. The nature of the discrimination of the BSA?  Superstitious bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: TXatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TXatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>severalspeciesof,  I have that episode of Bullsh-t at home and remember that but I thought it was just recognition of them but I don&#039;t know if that gives them the loophole to avoid receiving federal funds while discriminating.  I&#039;ll have to watch it tonight to see.   Our Governor of Texas, Rick Perry, just came out with a new book on how great the BSA is and how bad the ACLU is for suing them.  Yeah, that darn Constitution making life fair for atheists and gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>severalspeciesof,  I have that episode of Bullsh-t at home and remember that but I thought it was just recognition of them but I don&#8217;t know if that gives them the loophole to avoid receiving federal funds while discriminating.  I&#8217;ll have to watch it tonight to see.   Our Governor of Texas, Rick Perry, just came out with a new book on how great the BSA is and how bad the ACLU is for suing them.  Yeah, that darn Constitution making life fair for atheists and gays.</p>
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