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	<title>Comments on: Susan Jacoby Appears on Bill Moyers Journal</title>
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		<title>By: Sophisticated Relationships &#187; Untangling the Tangled Woven Web</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/18/susan-jacoby-appears-on-bill-moyers-journal/comment-page-1/#comment-142792</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophisticated Relationships &#187; Untangling the Tangled Woven Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jacoby in an interview with Bill Moyers made a similar observation about a trend in our nation of not being curious about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Dascalescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Dascalescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, where is the PBS transcript? Didn&#039;t find it at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R802201000&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;KQED&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, where is the PBS transcript? Didn&#8217;t find it at <a href="http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R802201000" rel="nofollow">KQED</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Renacier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renacier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re generalizing her arguments a bit much, mike, she&#039;s not saying &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; is the problem and &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is the problem, full stop.
She&#039;s saying in &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; situation we have &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; problem and in &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; situation we have &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re generalizing her arguments a bit much, mike, she&#8217;s not saying <em>this</em> is the problem and <em>that</em> is the problem, full stop.<br />
She&#8217;s saying in <em>this</em> situation we have <em>this</em> problem and in <em>that</em> situation we have <em>that</em> problem.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed a lot of what she had to say, but couldn&#039;t get past a few dumb things she said (since she&#039;s so fond of calling things &quot;dumb&quot;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;When you call people citizens you&#039;re calling them to rise-- calling on them to rise above the lowest common denominator. You really need to think about what&#039;s being said when people are called folks. It&#039;s encouraging you not to do too much.

...

We don&#039;t lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Troop. We lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Now I think that kind of euphemistic language-- it&#039;s very important when you talk about troops it in a way takes the individuality away
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too many of her complaints seem to pertain to these little lexical choices. If she is just using these as illustrations of a broader phenomenon, she should make it much clearer. Instead she comes off as nitpicky and linguistically prescriptive.

She makes absolutely no sense from a linguistic point of view. I agree with her characterization of the differences in connotation between &quot;citizens&quot; and &quot;folks&quot;, &quot;soldiers&quot; and &quot;troops&quot;. But in the first snippet above, she&#039;s upset that the abstract &quot;citizens&quot; has been replaced by the more personal, colloquial &quot;folks&quot;. In the second snippet, she&#039;s upset that the personal &quot;soldier&quot; has been replaced by the abstract &quot;troops&quot;. So which is contributing to our country&#039;s growing ignorance: personal, colloquial language or impersonal, abstract, academic language?

BTW, pretty neat that PBS has the complete transcripts right there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed a lot of what she had to say, but couldn&#8217;t get past a few dumb things she said (since she&#8217;s so fond of calling things &#8220;dumb&#8221;):</p>
<blockquote><p>When you call people citizens you&#8217;re calling them to rise&#8211; calling on them to rise above the lowest common denominator. You really need to think about what&#8217;s being said when people are called folks. It&#8217;s encouraging you not to do too much.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Troop. We lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Now I think that kind of euphemistic language&#8211; it&#8217;s very important when you talk about troops it in a way takes the individuality away
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<p>Too many of her complaints seem to pertain to these little lexical choices. If she is just using these as illustrations of a broader phenomenon, she should make it much clearer. Instead she comes off as nitpicky and linguistically prescriptive.</p>
<p>She makes absolutely no sense from a linguistic point of view. I agree with her characterization of the differences in connotation between &#8220;citizens&#8221; and &#8220;folks&#8221;, &#8220;soldiers&#8221; and &#8220;troops&#8221;. But in the first snippet above, she&#8217;s upset that the abstract &#8220;citizens&#8221; has been replaced by the more personal, colloquial &#8220;folks&#8221;. In the second snippet, she&#8217;s upset that the personal &#8220;soldier&#8221; has been replaced by the abstract &#8220;troops&#8221;. So which is contributing to our country&#8217;s growing ignorance: personal, colloquial language or impersonal, abstract, academic language?</p>
<p>BTW, pretty neat that PBS has the complete transcripts right there!</p>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good interview, I&#039;m definitely going to put the book on my must read list. Bill Moyers is refreshing for an American news media person, he&#039;s done good interviews with Stewart, Rushdie, and McGinn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good interview, I&#8217;m definitely going to put the book on my must read list. Bill Moyers is refreshing for an American news media person, he&#8217;s done good interviews with Stewart, Rushdie, and McGinn.</p>
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