Hahahaha!!

Jesus Camp is pure liberal propaganda. Liberals fear/hate religion and they go out of their way to try to validate their fear and hatred.

I could just as easily go the to the democratic convention with an agenda to make democrats look crazy and come out with the same paranoia-generating drivel as Jesus Camp.

You amuse me with your rantings from your ivory tower, which in your case I’m sure is a vegan coffee shoppe. I’m sure you sit around smoking clove cigerettes talking about how dumb society is in caring about celebraties and the evil that is pop culture. I was there once, but other than a self feeding feeling of smugness it doesn’t get you anywhere. The “real” world goes on and you can either sit there and spell art “Art” like a pretenious asshole or get involved, enjoy it, and make it a better place.

BTW, a google search of the term ’secular fascists’ shows how hollow the term is and what type angry misguided people use the term. Maybe you should get a new catch phrase.

Please just walk away from this knowing that people like you are the reason that pop culture exists and thrives.

AWESOME!!!! “Art” is just a bunch of pretentious self-absorbed people playing around in paint with mommy and daddy’s money anyway… or if they’re good at sucking the big dicks, corporate money.

So sorry, seen that crap. Am unimpressed. Would rather live life than see a pretentious play about it. A monkey could paint half the shit in the gugenheim… in fact, I think one DID! That’s art for you… anything to make a buck and put one over on the rubes. Sorry, that emperor’s been naked since Picasso started printing those drawings of doves by the hundreds and cashing in on his name.

Most “arteests” live off of mommy and daddy until they have to get a real job. I knew a few in school. They sure “sold out to the man” in a hurry once they had to pay off the student loans! No more sculptures
out of urine and blood and nike shoes protesting “the spreading global threat of the American capitalistic empire”, or giant wax scuptures celebrating the mystical power of the vagina.

Say hi to Brittany. Ask her is SHE knows whether the Mona Lisa is relevant to our lives, and if an Artist has anything to learn from Leonardo Da Vinci.

The Mona Lisa? Eh, it’s okay. At least it’s a painting OF something, not like most of the stuff “arteests” make today. That museum is nothing but a tourist trap for Americans. You stand in line for an hour to get in the stupid place… then you have to wander around for about half an hour to get to the room it’s in, and wait in another line to look at it. And it’s the size of a manilla envelope. And they don’t even let you take a picture of it. Oh no… not even with your cell phone — NOT EVEN A FLASH… they want to sell you a picture at the gift shop on the way out.

That whole museum was full of crap, half of which they could get rid of and nobody would care… except it would make going to the mona lisa faster. Hey, here’s an idea, why not put it at the entrance?! Ohhh nooo… you gotta play the whole game so that people going feel all intelligent. I guess that’s what “art lovers” pay for.. the feeling that they’re smarter than other people because they “get” the “deep stuff”. Here’s a hint… most people aren’t fooled by that stuff.. they can smell a con, and they know that if a painting looks like it could have been painted by a monkey, it might as well have been! But they have a DaVinci code tour since the movie came out, and that looked pretty cool (Mary Magdelene was buried by the Virgin Megastore in the underground mall! That’s ironic.) I guess they know their “audience”. Low culture types like me. I guess they aren’t below pandering to make a euro or two! Hell, they built a Virgin Megastore in an underground mall under the louve! I bet the “arteests” in paris got their noses bent out of shape on that one. “Oooh, but zat is so… so common, so vulgar, so boozh-wa!”

Did Jesus Camp force you to question a thing? No.

I assume you are talking about the place rather than the movie. I’m glad you acknowledge that.

Case closed. Crappy Art = Crappy Documentary

No doubt that’s why it was nominated for an Oscar as well as four other film awards for best documentary.

Mary is not even a Christian. She dated a buddhist, she studies Kabbhalla, and takes Yoga and chants 4 times a week at Yoga Now on Broadway in Chicago.

Wow, I didn’t know christians weren’t allowed to do those things. Thanks for the insight.

The making of the movie and your watching it was “group masturbation.”

I defer to your judgement, I’m sure you know much more about that activity than any of us.

Mary says it’s a crappy documentary because she wanted to learn about fundamentalism but was completely unable to do so.

I’m so sorry to hear that. Perhaps Mary hasn’t heard about books? They can be most enlightening. Or perhaps it’s just you who hasn’t.

She performs weekly in the longest running (20 years) Chicago Theatre show in history, Too much light makes the baby go blind,” where she writes and performs her own plays every week.

A secularist like Mary has a point of view that that movie was crappy. It has the following traits:
1) An artistic track record to back it up. (HER SHOW)

HER show? Really? At their web site she is mentioned as just one more member of a large cast, nothing special. Oh, there’s also a fake obituary. That’s indicative of something, I’m sure.

4) Examples of what it means to create art that will endure.

Performing as member of a local ensemble is “art that will endure”? You certainly have a gift for unintentional irony. You should cultivate that.

When a human being’s system of beliefs is shown to them to be paper thin, based on propaganda, and invalid, the psyche has no choice but to shut down and resort to a defense mechanism to protect itself. “Deflection” comes to mind.

Thanks you for explaining why you are on this little rampage. I was wondering. Perhaps a soothing cup of tea would help with that conniption fit you are having?

You have no idea how Jesus Camp and the Mona Lisa compare! My point exactly. Thank you for ending the discussion right there and admitting your ignorance. Even secular fascism took a hit when you admitted that one. (Hint: They are both forms of Art)

A secularist like Mary has a point of view that that movie was crappy. It has the following traits:

1) An artistic track record to back it up. (HER SHOW)
2) Proof that the filmmakers were dishonest (Plus the ELBOWING line was on the DVD. You can netflix it if you like)
3) A BIO that proves she is not “one of them”
4) Examples of what it means to create art that will endure.

When a human being’s system of beliefs is shown to them to be paper thin, based on propaganda, and invalid, the psyche has no choice but to shut down and resort to a defense mechanism to protect itself. “Deflection” comes to mind. Words are thrown around like “gibberish” and “nonsense” and statements like “I don’t even know what you’re talking about.”

Points 1 thru 4. That’s what I’m talking about. And that’s what you have no response to.

But you don’t know what Art is, right? It’s too late to learn now.

Please just walk away from this knowing that people like you are the reason that pop culture exists and thrives. People who don’t know any better can’t expect anything better from our culture. So go ahead and co-mingle with others down at the lowest common denominator level.

Say hi to Brittany. Ask her is SHE knows whether the Mona Lisa is relevant to our lives, and if an Artist has anything to learn from Leonardo Da Vinci.

Please tell me you at least have a hunch about what the answer is?

Siamang said,

if you told me tomorrow I had to attend the camp in the movie I’d say “okay, this should be a trip.”

I think I would find the Jesus camp in the movie a trip. So we would be tripping together. Pass the tongues man.

Just pointing out that what scares me personally about the movie Jesus Camp, isn’t what they do when they’re in church. I think you know this. I’m not frightened about attending Jesus Camp… if you told me tomorrow I had to attend the camp in the movie I’d say “okay, this should be a trip.” It’s not fear for personal safety, or as you say being strung up right there in the sanctuary. Rather it’s the notion of dread that America is on its way to becoming Iran in the next couple of generations, except with a cross instead of a crescent. It’s the fear that the people who pull the levers of power in this country don’t care much for this life, except in the ability to get into the next one. It’s the fear that this country is being run by people who think that violence in the middle east is a GOOD thing which hastens the coming of Jesus.

As Sam Harris has written:

44% of Americans think Jesus Christ will return in the next 50 years. (22% are “certain” that he will, another 22% think he “probably” will.)
…
“According to the most common interpretation of biblical prophecy, Jesus will return only after things have gone horribly awry. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the U.S. government believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency.”

In other words, it’s not the singing, the praising or even the speaking in tongues that scares me.