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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Laurier Freethought Alliance Gets Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Laurier Freethought Alliance Gets Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] group at Wilfrid Laurier University has been getting a lot of terrific press coverage. They were denied &#8220;official campus group&#8221; status at their school because they promoted &#8220;a fulfilling life without religion and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] group at Wilfrid Laurier University has been getting a lot of terrific press coverage. They were denied &#8220;official campus group&#8221; status at their school because they promoted &#8220;a fulfilling life without religion and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Kroll</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-124875</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Kroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Alumni of Wilfrid Laurier University. Upon reading this blog I immediately called WLU (on feb 7). I was informed by Mike McMan (an Alumni) working as the General Manager of WLUSU (WLU Students Union) that the application for a campus club was denied because of concerns (based on the wording of the application) that not all students would be allowed to join LFA. There was also concerns with comments made on the LFA facebook group which were allegedly discriminatory and apparently those comments have now been removed from the LFA facebook group. 

There seems to be some ignorance on what atheism is and what freethinking is and whether a group of atheists would deny entry to the club to those who profess religious beliefs. It is a rule for all Student Union clubs that membership be open to everyone. This also means religious campus clubs must allow none believers to join; also that ethnic groups allow people from different ethnic backgrounds to join their groups.

The representative from WLUSU who responded with the intolerant denial is probably a second year student (according to Mike) (with religious beliefs (according to me)) and did not carefully consider his/her response to the LFA. WLUSU regrets that those comments were made in the denial to LFA.

As of this date Mike McMan has assured me that the group is approved to be a campus club. 

Thankfully the name an honour of my alma mater is restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Alumni of Wilfrid Laurier University. Upon reading this blog I immediately called WLU (on feb 7). I was informed by Mike McMan (an Alumni) working as the General Manager of WLUSU (WLU Students Union) that the application for a campus club was denied because of concerns (based on the wording of the application) that not all students would be allowed to join LFA. There was also concerns with comments made on the LFA facebook group which were allegedly discriminatory and apparently those comments have now been removed from the LFA facebook group. </p>
<p>There seems to be some ignorance on what atheism is and what freethinking is and whether a group of atheists would deny entry to the club to those who profess religious beliefs. It is a rule for all Student Union clubs that membership be open to everyone. This also means religious campus clubs must allow none believers to join; also that ethnic groups allow people from different ethnic backgrounds to join their groups.</p>
<p>The representative from WLUSU who responded with the intolerant denial is probably a second year student (according to Mike) (with religious beliefs (according to me)) and did not carefully consider his/her response to the LFA. WLUSU regrets that those comments were made in the denial to LFA.</p>
<p>As of this date Mike McMan has assured me that the group is approved to be a campus club. </p>
<p>Thankfully the name an honour of my alma mater is restored.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skyeye</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-124820</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Skyeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one time universities openly supported freethinking and social discourse. It seams that now they have become little more than than &quot;brainwashing tanks&quot; clearly demonstrating that the only way to get ahead in Canada is to &quot;Suck the hind tit&quot; which unfortunately has become more and more the case since the late sixties when a &quot;closet queer&quot; (one way to get an airport named after you) became prime minister and compounded by such corrupt (and so far unpunished) regimes as that of &quot;Lie&#039;n Brian M.&quot;, who made a mockery of democrates by instituting the GST although it was resoundingly rejected in a nation-wide referendum.
It is the &quot;Freethinker&quot; part which is what the Federation Puppets have been instructed to bash. I wish the best of luck to this group as a small step towards the Free country in which I was born nearly 60 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one time universities openly supported freethinking and social discourse. It seams that now they have become little more than than &#8220;brainwashing tanks&#8221; clearly demonstrating that the only way to get ahead in Canada is to &#8220;Suck the hind tit&#8221; which unfortunately has become more and more the case since the late sixties when a &#8220;closet queer&#8221; (one way to get an airport named after you) became prime minister and compounded by such corrupt (and so far unpunished) regimes as that of &#8220;Lie&#8217;n Brian M.&#8221;, who made a mockery of democrates by instituting the GST although it was resoundingly rejected in a nation-wide referendum.<br />
It is the &#8220;Freethinker&#8221; part which is what the Federation Puppets have been instructed to bash. I wish the best of luck to this group as a small step towards the Free country in which I was born nearly 60 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Very concerned Laurier student</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very concerned Laurier student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly, I wholeheartedly agree with James and his assessment of the situation. Clubs that promote radical thinking are simply too much of a liability for an organization like WLUSU.

I would take James&#039; advice and weaken the language. So instead of the word promote, just use &quot;talk about&quot; and make sure you drop in the word tolerance. Buzzwords are key. If partisan political clubs can get funding to promote their ideologies, so can you.

I was thinking of start a pro-war group, but I think I may have a better chance of getting approved if I simply state in my application that the club aims to support the troops and promotes tolerance and diversity. Weakening the language is crucial.

In fact, don&#039;t bother weakening the language, do away with it altogether and play mad libs with a standard form.

&quot;We would like to create a club called the Laurier Association for the Discussion of _______________ that promotes ____________, tolerance, diversity and mutual respect. We will organize events such as discussion nights and movie nights. Once a semester, we will also invite other groups to be a part of a discussion night that will address issues of tolerance in our multi-faceted campus.&quot;

Fill in the blanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly, I wholeheartedly agree with James and his assessment of the situation. Clubs that promote radical thinking are simply too much of a liability for an organization like WLUSU.</p>
<p>I would take James&#8217; advice and weaken the language. So instead of the word promote, just use &#8220;talk about&#8221; and make sure you drop in the word tolerance. Buzzwords are key. If partisan political clubs can get funding to promote their ideologies, so can you.</p>
<p>I was thinking of start a pro-war group, but I think I may have a better chance of getting approved if I simply state in my application that the club aims to support the troops and promotes tolerance and diversity. Weakening the language is crucial.</p>
<p>In fact, don&#8217;t bother weakening the language, do away with it altogether and play mad libs with a standard form.</p>
<p>&#8220;We would like to create a club called the Laurier Association for the Discussion of _______________ that promotes ____________, tolerance, diversity and mutual respect. We will organize events such as discussion nights and movie nights. Once a semester, we will also invite other groups to be a part of a discussion night that will address issues of tolerance in our multi-faceted campus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fill in the blanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Campus Crusades for Christ is not an officially recognized Campus Club at Laurier, please refrain from citing this group as a defense of LFA.

Furthermore:

Quoting Anatoly and Tyler on LFA’s facebook group. After posting the Mohammed cartoon, the following comments were posted as well. (spelling mistakes left in for accuracy)

Anatoly: “That’s the one of the ‘infamous’ Muhammad cartoons! Sweeeeet.”

Tyler: “should i take it down? … i’m scared now”

Anatoly: “Yes Tyler, I’d suicide bomb your ass if it wasnt for the shortage of virgins”



Yes there really is a difference between a gathering of Atheists and a gathering of the anti-Religious.  Which does this constitute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Campus Crusades for Christ is not an officially recognized Campus Club at Laurier, please refrain from citing this group as a defense of LFA.</p>
<p>Furthermore:</p>
<p>Quoting Anatoly and Tyler on LFA’s facebook group. After posting the Mohammed cartoon, the following comments were posted as well. (spelling mistakes left in for accuracy)</p>
<p>Anatoly: “That’s the one of the ‘infamous’ Muhammad cartoons! Sweeeeet.”</p>
<p>Tyler: “should i take it down? … i’m scared now”</p>
<p>Anatoly: “Yes Tyler, I’d suicide bomb your ass if it wasnt for the shortage of virgins”</p>
<p>Yes there really is a difference between a gathering of Atheists and a gathering of the anti-Religious.  Which does this constitute?</p>
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		<title>By: James - Concerned Laurier Student</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-123649</link>
		<dc:creator>James - Concerned Laurier Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly,

First I must declare for the required that if your club was denied by Campus Clubs, then in fact it is WLUSU that you have the beef with, not WLU.  Second, I am wondering what it is that you would do with Campus Club status.  Are you seeking funding?  Will you be running campaigns?  What are your goals as an organization?

Campus Clubs does not approve every other group, nor do they approve of every other group that is associated with a religion.  You must understand that every group that becomes an official Campus Club under WLUSU, results in WLUSU being responsible for any illegal or harmful actions taken by that club.  Therefore, WLUSU must take care in who they approve and look at every application as a possible liability.

Do I believe that your club should be approved?  Probably.  The thing that you need to be aware of is that the Campus Club Co-ordinator is not out to defeat atheism or discriminate against atheists, the CC Co-ordinator simply wants to ensure that all Campus Clubs are enhancing student life, and not posing a threat to any other students.

If you are still unsatisifed with this response then I recommend that you attend the WLUSU Elections Open Forum Tuesday February 5th (Today) at 1:00 and ask the potential candidates who will run WLUSU next year, how they feel about this issue.

I further recommend that you re-evaluate you purposal, weaken your language, outline all events as inclusive, explain that funding will be used in a way that is not harmful, and resubmit it.  I know it will probably be months until your club will be reviewed again, but patience is the price paid for advancement.

From one Atheist to Another,

James - Concerned Laurier Student</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly,</p>
<p>First I must declare for the required that if your club was denied by Campus Clubs, then in fact it is WLUSU that you have the beef with, not WLU.  Second, I am wondering what it is that you would do with Campus Club status.  Are you seeking funding?  Will you be running campaigns?  What are your goals as an organization?</p>
<p>Campus Clubs does not approve every other group, nor do they approve of every other group that is associated with a religion.  You must understand that every group that becomes an official Campus Club under WLUSU, results in WLUSU being responsible for any illegal or harmful actions taken by that club.  Therefore, WLUSU must take care in who they approve and look at every application as a possible liability.</p>
<p>Do I believe that your club should be approved?  Probably.  The thing that you need to be aware of is that the Campus Club Co-ordinator is not out to defeat atheism or discriminate against atheists, the CC Co-ordinator simply wants to ensure that all Campus Clubs are enhancing student life, and not posing a threat to any other students.</p>
<p>If you are still unsatisifed with this response then I recommend that you attend the WLUSU Elections Open Forum Tuesday February 5th (Today) at 1:00 and ask the potential candidates who will run WLUSU next year, how they feel about this issue.</p>
<p>I further recommend that you re-evaluate you purposal, weaken your language, outline all events as inclusive, explain that funding will be used in a way that is not harmful, and resubmit it.  I know it will probably be months until your club will be reviewed again, but patience is the price paid for advancement.</p>
<p>From one Atheist to Another,</p>
<p>James &#8211; Concerned Laurier Student</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfrid Laurier Denies Official Status to Secular Group &#124; Liberal Debutante</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-122744</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilfrid Laurier Denies Official Status to Secular Group &#124; Liberal Debutante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more on the issue see what Hemant has to say and the Vice President of the declined [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don Halpert</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-122491</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Halpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilfred Laurier University (WLI) used to be called Waterloo Lutheran University (WLI).  Changed their name to get public funding.
The decision should be reversed - shame on them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilfred Laurier University (WLI) used to be called Waterloo Lutheran University (WLI).  Changed their name to get public funding.<br />
The decision should be reversed &#8211; shame on them!</p>
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		<title>By: Torgo</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-122352</link>
		<dc:creator>Torgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s a difference between a gathering of Atheists and a gathering of the anti-Religious. One’s tolerant, the other isn’t. It’s frustrating that it seems like secular groups have a hard time forming without taking pot shots at religion.&quot;

The problem with this is that any legitimate criticism will sound like &quot;pot shots&quot; to the religious. Are we to be unconditionally tolerant of all ideologies? What of naziism, as an obvious example? It would seem far wiser to be tolerant of something based on its merit, rather than tolerating religion because it&#039;s religion. That&#039;s the sort of un-questioning special treatment that we&#039;ve been conditioned to give religion for literally thousands of years, and it&#039;s about time that we asked ourselves whether religion in its most prevalent form truly deserves to be tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s a difference between a gathering of Atheists and a gathering of the anti-Religious. One’s tolerant, the other isn’t. It’s frustrating that it seems like secular groups have a hard time forming without taking pot shots at religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem with this is that any legitimate criticism will sound like &#8220;pot shots&#8221; to the religious. Are we to be unconditionally tolerant of all ideologies? What of naziism, as an obvious example? It would seem far wiser to be tolerant of something based on its merit, rather than tolerating religion because it&#8217;s religion. That&#8217;s the sort of un-questioning special treatment that we&#8217;ve been conditioned to give religion for literally thousands of years, and it&#8217;s about time that we asked ourselves whether religion in its most prevalent form truly deserves to be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/02/01/atheist-campus-group-denied-recognition/comment-page-1/#comment-122327</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s ridiculous. I hope they sue and win</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s ridiculous. I hope they sue and win</p>
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