Do you share Bryan’s opinion that the movement to delete is because of “bandwagon jumping”? Is it really censorship driven? Do you have evidence that this is supression, or is the call for deletion based merely on it being noticed because of the story’s being peddled around the atheist blogosphere?

Anyway, I’m not an editor, and you are. So obviously I’m talking out of my ass here. Do whatever you want with your vote… I don’t get one.

I’m just catching a whiff of “poor persecuted us” here.

You are a remarkably presumptuous person. I am a wikipeida editor: I am fully aware of the rules: and I am voting to keep the article.

There certainly isn’t any reason to delete it now.

If you are a wikipedia editor, you can make that case. If I were an editor, I’d vote for deletion… I honestly don’t think there’s anything there but some self-serving going on. And frankly the fact that Bryan is trolling websites trying to get people to vote up the wikipedia entry tells me that this is about him and his group, and not wikipedia.

Wikipedia entries are there to serve the wikipedia, not to serve as “easy find web locations” for other groups. Every dude with a rock band wants it covered in wikipedia, and playing the “they’re jumping on the bandwagon to ban us because of persecution” card is prima facia evidence to me that Wikipedia is right to disregard Bryan’s trolling for votes.

The article should stay or go based on the merits as they match the guidelines. All I see on that article’s talk page is some whiney people crying persecution and making accusations of bad faith. It’s clear that you and Bryan are not wikipedia editors. Your tone there, your combative nature and lack of seriousness tell me that you are there to promote your group, end of story. Which is fine, but you’re being poor advocates for your position.

Wikipedians take their duty to themselves and the community and the wikipedia higher than that. You guys stand out like sore thumbs there.

Let the entry get deleted if that’s what the editors decide. And then if the group does indeed achieve the notoriety called for in the Wikipedia guidelines, it can be reinstated with a couple of mouse clicks.

If you don’t like the Wikipedia guidelines, I suggest you volunteer to be an editor and a member of the community, and you may gain the ability to make your arguments for changing the guidelines. But you can’t waltz in from the outside and expect other people to respond to your whining. Wikipedia editors hear whining all the time from self-promoters.

There’s nothing “paranoid” about believing that a few people may want to censor the wikipedia article

I don’t think there’s any need for a wikipedia article at this point.

There certainly isn’t any reason to delete it now.

The regulars are still banned, but I am happy, and owe many people thanks…

More later.

Bryan

Why would one expect Myspace to give a fair chance to those who espouse thoughts antithetical to its corrupt arch-conservative owner?

I would recommend perhaps moving to Facebook.

Note the Wiki article existed for almost a year. It was created before the recent deletions and was originally about the group’s award. I know Wiki’s huge and so maybe no one there noticed it til now (which explains why they haven’t bothered to delete it til now).

I regret using the word bandwagon now. I don’t think Wiki’s decision to delete it would be an anti-atheist move.

point taken.

For what it’s worth, I’m 20 minutes into my 15. I’d like to just get the group back and focus on other things (like getting tenure!). I’m not sure how to do something like this (i.e. issue a press release to get a myspace group restored– very surreal) without coming across as a whiny attention whore. I guess I’ll let other people decide for themselves whether I have ambitions/self interests motivating my use of the “victim” card. Again, though, I think it would be trivially simple for myspace to undelete and the group and unban regulars. That’s all I want.

B

And really, Bryan, “Wikipedia might be joining the bandwagon”? You had me wondering about the motivations of MySpace, but your lumping in wikipedia frankly makes me think that you are a bit paranoid. While as the saying goes, that doesn’t mean that people aren’t out to get you, I also think that it doesn’t mean that you aren’t tooting your own horn in the meanwhile.

I don’t think there’s any need for a wikipedia article at this point.