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		<title>By: Atheist: Bloggers Views on Obama &#124; Basapa</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-126683</link>
		<dc:creator>Atheist: Bloggers Views on Obama &#124; Basapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve seen who can withstand a religious attack, and come out winning. I have to agree with Friendly Atheist that Obama is our best shot when it comes to issues we deeply care about. Many international [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve seen who can withstand a religious attack, and come out winning. I have to agree with Friendly Atheist that Obama is our best shot when it comes to issues we deeply care about. Many international [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-113000</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Batshit insane.&lt;/a&gt;  The story is now out, and Paul&#039;s candidacy is rightfully circling the drain.


Just to come here and piss on the grave of a derail that I completely and utterly p0wN3D!

(What IS it with Libertarians and their presidential candidates?  The last guy they nominated for president promised to TNT the UN building and thought that Hawaii had seceeded from the union!  Nut.  Balls!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul.  <a href="http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca" rel="nofollow">Batshit insane.</a>  The story is now out, and Paul&#8217;s candidacy is rightfully circling the drain.</p>
<p>Just to come here and piss on the grave of a derail that I completely and utterly p0wN3D!</p>
<p>(What IS it with Libertarians and their presidential candidates?  The last guy they nominated for president promised to TNT the UN building and thought that Hawaii had seceeded from the union!  Nut.  Balls!)</p>
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		<title>By: Back in Austin &#171; blueollie</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111207</link>
		<dc:creator>Back in Austin &#171; blueollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many of the bloggers that I follow were pleased with the results; among them En Punto (national class racewalker), Science Avenger, and Friendly Atheist. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many of the bloggers that I follow were pleased with the results; among them En Punto (national class racewalker), Science Avenger, and Friendly Atheist. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Caractaco Rambunctulus</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111204</link>
		<dc:creator>Caractaco Rambunctulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be too sure that Barack isn&#039;t an atheist. True, he claims to be a Christian, but he is clearly a reasonable person, and no reasonable person can believe in God, or Jesus, or other colorful characters from the Land of Make-Believe.

The only tragedy here is that we live in a political climate that requires candidates to at least feign a belief in God. It seems that the beliefs of the American people are not so different from the superstitious and ignorant beliefs of pre-civilized man, after all. The prevalence of religion is a constant reminder that when it comes to human progress, we are less advanced than we might like to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be too sure that Barack isn&#8217;t an atheist. True, he claims to be a Christian, but he is clearly a reasonable person, and no reasonable person can believe in God, or Jesus, or other colorful characters from the Land of Make-Believe.</p>
<p>The only tragedy here is that we live in a political climate that requires candidates to at least feign a belief in God. It seems that the beliefs of the American people are not so different from the superstitious and ignorant beliefs of pre-civilized man, after all. The prevalence of religion is a constant reminder that when it comes to human progress, we are less advanced than we might like to think.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111081</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, RP is not a ultra-libertarian. He’s is mildly libertarian&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From Wikipedia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;He supports abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service, most Cabinet departments, and the Federal Reserve.
...
He has asserted that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and supports the repeal of the sixteenth amendment.

...

He would eliminate many federal government agencies, such as the U.S. Department of Education[74], the U.S. Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Administration, the Interstate Commerce Commission and the Internal Revenue Service[63], calling them &quot;unnecessary bureaucracies&quot;.

...

He has repeatedly introduced the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act since 1999,[88] to enable &quot;America to return to the type of monetary system envisioned by our Nation&#039;s founders: one where the value of money is consistent because it is tied to a commodity such as gold&quot;; 

...

During a speech in New Hampshire in February 2007 Paul called for a repeal of the seventeenth amendment,[200] which allows for direct election of U.S. Senators.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, well if that&#039;s not ultra-libertarianism, I&#039;d hate to see what UL is.... total government abolishment, prolly.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Calling people “crazy” simply because you happen to disagree with them is incredibly dismissive, rude, and stupid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t call him crazy.  I called him batshit insane. That&#039;s purely subjective, of course, based on what we know of the contents of his self-published newsletter &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/15/124912/740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Ron Paul Political Report&quot;&lt;/a&gt; from the 1990&#039;s as reprinted online by white supremecist groups and archived by anti hate groups.


&lt;blockquote&gt;RP does not use his religious beliefs as a foundation for his politics and he has been very vigilant to make that clear. He dismisses the entire topic as irrelevant to his political and personal morals. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ron Paul rejects the theory of evolution and rejects that there is any such thing as a federal separation of church and state.  That&#039;s probably as radical or moreso as anyone running for the Republican ticket, Pastor Huckabee included.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since I have family and friends for whom this may be a life or death issue, &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Likewise I am against this war. I feel for you and your loved ones in harm&#039;s way.

 However, I won&#039;t support batshit insane people to end a war that batshit insanity got us into in the first place.  Ron Paul can take his blimp and all his tax-free gold bars and go start Libertopia on some giant floating island.


&lt;blockquote&gt;So you all can just blow me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately illegal in Ron Paul&#039;s Libertopia, as we&#039;d have no right to sexual privacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way, RP is not a ultra-libertarian. He’s is mildly libertarian</p></blockquote>
<p>From Wikipedia:</p>
<blockquote><p>He supports abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service, most Cabinet departments, and the Federal Reserve.<br />
&#8230;<br />
He has asserted that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and supports the repeal of the sixteenth amendment.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>He would eliminate many federal government agencies, such as the U.S. Department of Education[74], the U.S. Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Administration, the Interstate Commerce Commission and the Internal Revenue Service[63], calling them &#8220;unnecessary bureaucracies&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>He has repeatedly introduced the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act since 1999,[88] to enable &#8220;America to return to the type of monetary system envisioned by our Nation&#8217;s founders: one where the value of money is consistent because it is tied to a commodity such as gold&#8221;; </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>During a speech in New Hampshire in February 2007 Paul called for a repeal of the seventeenth amendment,[200] which allows for direct election of U.S. Senators.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Ah, well if that&#8217;s not ultra-libertarianism, I&#8217;d hate to see what UL is&#8230;. total government abolishment, prolly.</p>
<blockquote><p>Calling people “crazy” simply because you happen to disagree with them is incredibly dismissive, rude, and stupid.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t call him crazy.  I called him batshit insane. That&#8217;s purely subjective, of course, based on what we know of the contents of his self-published newsletter <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/15/124912/740" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Ron Paul Political Report&#8221;</a> from the 1990&#8217;s as reprinted online by white supremecist groups and archived by anti hate groups.</p>
<blockquote><p>RP does not use his religious beliefs as a foundation for his politics and he has been very vigilant to make that clear. He dismisses the entire topic as irrelevant to his political and personal morals. </p></blockquote>
<p>Ron Paul rejects the theory of evolution and rejects that there is any such thing as a federal separation of church and state.  That&#8217;s probably as radical or moreso as anyone running for the Republican ticket, Pastor Huckabee included.</p>
<blockquote><p>Since I have family and friends for whom this may be a life or death issue, </p></blockquote>
<p>Likewise I am against this war. I feel for you and your loved ones in harm&#8217;s way.</p>
<p> However, I won&#8217;t support batshit insane people to end a war that batshit insanity got us into in the first place.  Ron Paul can take his blimp and all his tax-free gold bars and go start Libertopia on some giant floating island.</p>
<blockquote><p>So you all can just blow me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately illegal in Ron Paul&#8217;s Libertopia, as we&#8217;d have no right to sexual privacy.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111033</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is why I don’t usually comment on blogs, rude assholes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
So you all can just blow me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Case in point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is why I don’t usually comment on blogs, rude assholes.</p></blockquote>
<p>True.</p>
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So you all can just blow me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Case in point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111029</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MikeClawson: No, constitutionalists see it as a living document. Common misunderstanding.

By the way, RP is not a ultra-libertarian. He&#039;s is mildly libertarian; I would call him a constituationalist with a republican (as in classic conservative, not neo-fundie-bent) fiscal twist. I am, however, what you might call an &quot;ultra&quot; libertarian (notice the small L). 

Calling people &quot;crazy&quot; simply because &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; happen to disagree with them is incredibly dismissive, rude, and stupid. Siamang, you should be ashamed of yourself, but I am fairly sure you wont be. 

This is why I don&#039;t usually comment on blogs, rude assholes. 

RP does not use his religious beliefs as a foundation for his politics and he has been very vigilant to make that clear. He dismisses the entire topic as irrelevant to his political and personal morals. That is far more than any other person running has done when the topic comes up. Even Barack. 

RP and Dennis K are the only people running who want to end the war immediately. Since I have family and friends for whom this may be a life or death issue, RP happens to also be perfectly aligned with me on the economy and I see no other reason I wouldn&#039;t want to, I am voting for him

So you all can just blow me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeClawson: No, constitutionalists see it as a living document. Common misunderstanding.</p>
<p>By the way, RP is not a ultra-libertarian. He&#8217;s is mildly libertarian; I would call him a constituationalist with a republican (as in classic conservative, not neo-fundie-bent) fiscal twist. I am, however, what you might call an &#8220;ultra&#8221; libertarian (notice the small L). </p>
<p>Calling people &#8220;crazy&#8221; simply because <em>you</em> happen to disagree with them is incredibly dismissive, rude, and stupid. Siamang, you should be ashamed of yourself, but I am fairly sure you wont be. </p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t usually comment on blogs, rude assholes. </p>
<p>RP does not use his religious beliefs as a foundation for his politics and he has been very vigilant to make that clear. He dismisses the entire topic as irrelevant to his political and personal morals. That is far more than any other person running has done when the topic comes up. Even Barack. </p>
<p>RP and Dennis K are the only people running who want to end the war immediately. Since I have family and friends for whom this may be a life or death issue, RP happens to also be perfectly aligned with me on the economy and I see no other reason I wouldn&#8217;t want to, I am voting for him</p>
<p>So you all can just blow me.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111005</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Constitutionalists - aren&#039;t they the ones who think the Constitution ought to be a fixed document and whatever the Founding Fathers meant by it is what it has to be for all time with no room for new interpretations/applications or changing circumstances?

Sounds like the political equivalent of Christian fundamentalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitutionalists &#8211; aren&#8217;t they the ones who think the Constitution ought to be a fixed document and whatever the Founding Fathers meant by it is what it has to be for all time with no room for new interpretations/applications or changing circumstances?</p>
<p>Sounds like the political equivalent of Christian fundamentalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111006</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, please don&#039;t go ballistic!</description>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2008/01/03/barack-the-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-111004</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a constitutionalist running?

Or are you referring to batshit insane ultra-libertarian Ron Paul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a constitutionalist running?</p>
<p>Or are you referring to batshit insane ultra-libertarian Ron Paul?</p>
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