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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/11/this-is-everyones-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-101901</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To ?
You describe your difficulties in the present tense.  I hope that since you have so much clarity and insight about your problem that you are giving yourself the gift of getting the help that you very much deserve.  For you to be able to see  yourself objectively as you have shown above is a very important and rare first step toward being free of your pain.  All that is necessary is for you to break through your secret shame and your secret pride.  Let your loved ones know in clear sentences rather than gestures that leave coded messages on your body.

As you have said, you are not alone in your challenges.  There is help that works.  You deserve to live a happy life in spite of any hidden opinion you have to the contrary.  I wish you wellness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ?<br />
You describe your difficulties in the present tense.  I hope that since you have so much clarity and insight about your problem that you are giving yourself the gift of getting the help that you very much deserve.  For you to be able to see  yourself objectively as you have shown above is a very important and rare first step toward being free of your pain.  All that is necessary is for you to break through your secret shame and your secret pride.  Let your loved ones know in clear sentences rather than gestures that leave coded messages on your body.</p>
<p>As you have said, you are not alone in your challenges.  There is help that works.  You deserve to live a happy life in spite of any hidden opinion you have to the contrary.  I wish you wellness.</p>
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		<title>By: ?</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/11/this-is-everyones-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-101735</link>
		<dc:creator>?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having some serious &#039;issues&#039; myself, and therefore having had some experience from the mental side of the fence...

1) it&#039;s disgustingly easy to hide even severe problems from anyone, including your family. only 1 person in my family knows about my suicide attempts...because i told them. i am covered in scars + bruises from self-harming...but i have never had a problem hiding/explaining away the new ones even to partners. with many forms of mental illness come the benefits of paranoia. self-repression and fanatical secrecy. there&#039;s even the joy of a self-loathing so intense that even if you weren&#039;t hideously embarrassed to admit you have a problem, you may decide that you are not worthy of help.

2) i&#039;ve seen some seriously deranged behaviour from people who, to all intents and purposes, are completely sane. and yes, anyone can be pushed to violence given the right trigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having some serious &#8216;issues&#8217; myself, and therefore having had some experience from the mental side of the fence&#8230;</p>
<p>1) it&#8217;s disgustingly easy to hide even severe problems from anyone, including your family. only 1 person in my family knows about my suicide attempts&#8230;because i told them. i am covered in scars + bruises from self-harming&#8230;but i have never had a problem hiding/explaining away the new ones even to partners. with many forms of mental illness come the benefits of paranoia. self-repression and fanatical secrecy. there&#8217;s even the joy of a self-loathing so intense that even if you weren&#8217;t hideously embarrassed to admit you have a problem, you may decide that you are not worthy of help.</p>
<p>2) i&#8217;ve seen some seriously deranged behaviour from people who, to all intents and purposes, are completely sane. and yes, anyone can be pushed to violence given the right trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/11/this-is-everyones-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-101586</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whenever we start to think that we’re the “normal/sane/good” ones, and “those people” who do bad things are qualitatively different from us, then we’re on the path to some major self-deception and potentially some big trouble.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mike, my sentiments exactly.  

Thank you for being so much more eloquent than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whenever we start to think that we’re the “normal/sane/good” ones, and “those people” who do bad things are qualitatively different from us, then we’re on the path to some major self-deception and potentially some big trouble.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mike, my sentiments exactly.  </p>
<p>Thank you for being so much more eloquent than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I cannot even remotely imagine myself acting out violently toward anyone - let alone with a gun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really?  What if someone raped you?  What if someone hurt your parents?  What if you were wrongfully judged and condemned?  What is someone put you on stage naked and laughed at you?  What if someone hurt your baby?  What if some religious fanatics flew a couple of planes into buildings in your own back yard and destroyed what you love and hold dear to your heart?

Can you gurantee that you would be able to remain sane, rational, and passive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I cannot even remotely imagine myself acting out violently toward anyone &#8211; let alone with a gun.</p></blockquote>
<p>Really?  What if someone raped you?  What if someone hurt your parents?  What if you were wrongfully judged and condemned?  What is someone put you on stage naked and laughed at you?  What if someone hurt your baby?  What if some religious fanatics flew a couple of planes into buildings in your own back yard and destroyed what you love and hold dear to your heart?</p>
<p>Can you gurantee that you would be able to remain sane, rational, and passive?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeClawson</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/11/this-is-everyones-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-101525</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeClawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They are our sons, our brothers, our cousins, and our friends. They are ourselves. They are you and me. I am fully capable of walking into a building with a loaded machine gun. Given the right amount of judgment, condemnation, dismissal, and betrayal, I can grow that hatred that is beyond rationality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree Linda. I was first struck with this realization when I visited the death camp of Auschwitz in Poland and saw pictures of the Nazi guards. They were just young guys, kids of 18 or 19, as I was at the time. And I realized that they weren&#039;t that different from me - that if circumstances had been different in my life, that could have been me; that the same darkness that led to the atrocities of Auschwitz lives within my own heart, lives within all of us really.

It&#039;s comforting to think that &quot;I could never do something like that&quot;, but it&#039;s dangerous too, because it&#039;s not necessarily true. It&#039;s the same mentality that makes Americans think that we&#039;re always automatically the good guys and that we could &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; act in tyrannical ways. Whenever we start to think that we&#039;re the &quot;normal/sane/good&quot; ones, and &quot;those people&quot; who do bad things are qualitatively different from us, then we&#039;re on the path to some major self-deception and potentially some big trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They are our sons, our brothers, our cousins, and our friends. They are ourselves. They are you and me. I am fully capable of walking into a building with a loaded machine gun. Given the right amount of judgment, condemnation, dismissal, and betrayal, I can grow that hatred that is beyond rationality.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree Linda. I was first struck with this realization when I visited the death camp of Auschwitz in Poland and saw pictures of the Nazi guards. They were just young guys, kids of 18 or 19, as I was at the time. And I realized that they weren&#8217;t that different from me &#8211; that if circumstances had been different in my life, that could have been me; that the same darkness that led to the atrocities of Auschwitz lives within my own heart, lives within all of us really.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s comforting to think that &#8220;I could never do something like that&#8221;, but it&#8217;s dangerous too, because it&#8217;s not necessarily true. It&#8217;s the same mentality that makes Americans think that we&#8217;re always automatically the good guys and that we could <em>never</em> act in tyrannical ways. Whenever we start to think that we&#8217;re the &#8220;normal/sane/good&#8221; ones, and &#8220;those people&#8221; who do bad things are qualitatively different from us, then we&#8217;re on the path to some major self-deception and potentially some big trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Doreen A Mannion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doreen A Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It upsets me terribly when people say that family and friends should have paid more attention. In some of the cases, there are clues, but in many others, there are not. You just cannot know what is going on inside someone else&#039;s head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It upsets me terribly when people say that family and friends should have paid more attention. In some of the cases, there are clues, but in many others, there are not. You just cannot know what is going on inside someone else&#8217;s head.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/11/this-is-everyones-tragedy/comment-page-1/#comment-101496</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am fully capable of walking into a building with a loaded machine gun. Given the right amount of judgment, condemnation, dismissal, and betrayal, I can grow that hatred that is beyond rationality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I&#039;m sorry to hear that. I agree with you that mentally ill people need love and support, but I cannot even remotely imagine myself acting out violently toward anyone - let alone with a gun.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear that. I agree with you that mentally ill people need love and support, but I cannot even remotely imagine myself acting out violently toward anyone &#8211; let alone with a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone speaks as though we are the normal and the sane ones.  The troubled and &quot;mentally ill&quot; ones are people different than ourselves. 

They are our sons, our brothers, our cousins, and our friends.  They are ourselves.  They are you and me.  I am fully capable of walking into a building with a loaded machine gun.  Given the right amount of judgment, condemnation, dismissal, and betrayal, I can grow that hatred that is beyond rationality.

These kids want to be loved unconditionally -- not put into a category, labeled, studied, and &quot;helped.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone speaks as though we are the normal and the sane ones.  The troubled and &#8220;mentally ill&#8221; ones are people different than ourselves. </p>
<p>They are our sons, our brothers, our cousins, and our friends.  They are ourselves.  They are you and me.  I am fully capable of walking into a building with a loaded machine gun.  Given the right amount of judgment, condemnation, dismissal, and betrayal, I can grow that hatred that is beyond rationality.</p>
<p>These kids want to be loved unconditionally &#8212; not put into a category, labeled, studied, and &#8220;helped.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Omaha where the mall shooting took place. The shooter had a LONG history with the social service systems of several states. He was initially removed from his family &quot;under no fault of the parents&quot;. Very troubled individual. Had two friends in that store and on that floor where the shooting took place. They were both unharmed. One of my wifes&#039;s music studnts knew the shooter. Small world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Omaha where the mall shooting took place. The shooter had a LONG history with the social service systems of several states. He was initially removed from his family &#8220;under no fault of the parents&#8221;. Very troubled individual. Had two friends in that store and on that floor where the shooting took place. They were both unharmed. One of my wifes&#8217;s music studnts knew the shooter. Small world.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, if what you were saying is, let&#039;s minimize the killing, that makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, if what you were saying is, let&#8217;s minimize the killing, that makes sense to me.</p>
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