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		<title>By: Daniel Elstner</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-98099</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Elstner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urgh, may I join the party? Because now I&#039;m pissed, too. &quot;Religious Reich&quot;, WTF? You&#039;ve got to be kidding. I can understand if someone blurts out a phrase like that impulsively, for instance when emotions are running high during the course of a heated argument.

But to actually be proud of it, and defend its regular use as reasonable? Come on. It&#039;s not even a particularly intelligent pun. Sounds more like something a thirteen-year-old would come up with, giggling. Being an atheist myself, silly and ignorant rhetoric like that really pisses me off. It&#039;s certainly not &lt;em&gt;friendly&lt;/em&gt;, nor rational for that matter.

And before anyone gets started -- you are of course entitled to say whatever you like. But you don&#039;t have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urgh, may I join the party? Because now I&#8217;m pissed, too. &#8220;Religious Reich&#8221;, WTF? You&#8217;ve got to be kidding. I can understand if someone blurts out a phrase like that impulsively, for instance when emotions are running high during the course of a heated argument.</p>
<p>But to actually be proud of it, and defend its regular use as reasonable? Come on. It&#8217;s not even a particularly intelligent pun. Sounds more like something a thirteen-year-old would come up with, giggling. Being an atheist myself, silly and ignorant rhetoric like that really pisses me off. It&#8217;s certainly not <em>friendly</em>, nor rational for that matter.</p>
<p>And before anyone gets started &#8212; you are of course entitled to say whatever you like. But you don&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: RHawk68</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97603</link>
		<dc:creator>RHawk68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh!  There&#039;s little that makes my blood boil more than attacks on the public schools.  As a public school teacher, a member of the NEA (largest teachers&#039; union) and an atheist, it always bothers me when outsiders complain about things they know little to nothing about.

I read letters to the editor and get those e-mail and MySpace forwards all the time claiming that public schools are breeding grounds for &quot;evil secularism&quot; and that kind of garbage.  I should share some of my responses.  Sometimes I can let it go, but when it goes after my profession, my love, I just cannot.  I take a stand.  And it&#039;s cost me before.  I&#039;ve had fights with friends and been called most often both &quot;godless&quot; (duh...) and &quot;un-American&quot;.  

Sheesh...

We&#039;re doing just fine here - even here in Texas  - in our nation&#039;s public schools, thank you very much.  Sure, we&#039;ve got our share of problems and issues, but we&#039;re dealing with them and working hard.  Quit trying to shove religion at us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh!  There&#8217;s little that makes my blood boil more than attacks on the public schools.  As a public school teacher, a member of the NEA (largest teachers&#8217; union) and an atheist, it always bothers me when outsiders complain about things they know little to nothing about.</p>
<p>I read letters to the editor and get those e-mail and MySpace forwards all the time claiming that public schools are breeding grounds for &#8220;evil secularism&#8221; and that kind of garbage.  I should share some of my responses.  Sometimes I can let it go, but when it goes after my profession, my love, I just cannot.  I take a stand.  And it&#8217;s cost me before.  I&#8217;ve had fights with friends and been called most often both &#8220;godless&#8221; (duh&#8230;) and &#8220;un-American&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Sheesh&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re doing just fine here &#8211; even here in Texas  &#8211; in our nation&#8217;s public schools, thank you very much.  Sure, we&#8217;ve got our share of problems and issues, but we&#8217;re dealing with them and working hard.  Quit trying to shove religion at us!</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97555</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:lol:  Thank you, HappyNat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   Thank you, HappyNat!</p>
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		<title>By: HappyNat</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97542</link>
		<dc:creator>HappyNat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I understand Mike C. correctly, such people have every right to define “Christian” however they might see fit, and neither he, nor you, nor I, nor anyone else has any right to get pissed off about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Telling me I don&#039;t have the right to get pissed off pisses me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I understand Mike C. correctly, such people have every right to define “Christian” however they might see fit, and neither he, nor you, nor I, nor anyone else has any right to get pissed off about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Telling me I don&#8217;t have the right to get pissed off pisses me off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97460</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 05:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:lol:  Well if I did, it would be a first.  It just seems like very appropriate words for them, whatever the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />   Well if I did, it would be a first.  It just seems like very appropriate words for them, whatever the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97434</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure I have been hearing it for years now.  Google says there are 23,000 uses of it, and its right here in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Religious+Reich&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Urban Dictionary&lt;/a&gt;.  I have no idea where it came from; perhaps Mriana did invent it, but its been a commonly used term on blogs for at least a while now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure I have been hearing it for years now.  Google says there are 23,000 uses of it, and its right here in the <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Religious+Reich" rel="nofollow">Urban Dictionary</a>.  I have no idea where it came from; perhaps Mriana did invent it, but its been a commonly used term on blogs for at least a while now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97403</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, “Religious Reich”. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had no idea.  I guess great minds think alike.  Wonder who thought of it first because I&#039;ve been using that term for a couple of years now and I never heard it before.  Whatever the case, this guy you mentioned and myself obviously think alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, “Religious Reich”. </p></blockquote>
<p>I had no idea.  I guess great minds think alike.  Wonder who thought of it first because I&#8217;ve been using that term for a couple of years now and I never heard it before.  Whatever the case, this guy you mentioned and myself obviously think alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97397</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, pretty much all the letters in the Daily Herald make me want to punch something.  And while I have never been, I have a friend that grew up in Barrington and she says it is the largest collection of small-minded, classist, sexist, racist assholes she ever met (being a rich, queer, Indian girl, she noticed).  

In my years being educated at Illinois public schools, I never once heard a reference to atheism.  I am fairly certain that most of my teachers were in some way religious.  

Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, &quot;Religious Reich&quot;.  No doubt it was some evil mean leftist blogger who was watching the &lt;em&gt;700 Club &lt;/em&gt;and sobbing.  The RR wants to be seperate of all our terrible fun sin, in the sense that they want us to all convert so that they don&#039;t ever have to face temptation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, pretty much all the letters in the Daily Herald make me want to punch something.  And while I have never been, I have a friend that grew up in Barrington and she says it is the largest collection of small-minded, classist, sexist, racist assholes she ever met (being a rich, queer, Indian girl, she noticed).  </p>
<p>In my years being educated at Illinois public schools, I never once heard a reference to atheism.  I am fairly certain that most of my teachers were in some way religious.  </p>
<p>Gary- Mriana, while awesome, did not invent the term, &#8220;Religious Reich&#8221;.  No doubt it was some evil mean leftist blogger who was watching the <em>700 Club </em>and sobbing.  The RR wants to be seperate of all our terrible fun sin, in the sense that they want us to all convert so that they don&#8217;t ever have to face temptation.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97376</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the problem with these people - she shows her ignorance by using an oxymoron like &quot;Atheistic Beliefs&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem with these people &#8211; she shows her ignorance by using an oxymoron like &#8220;Atheistic Beliefs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/12/02/we-win/comment-page-1/#comment-97325</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Your use of the phrase “Religious Reich” is a nice touch, by the way. It shows how you, for one, have grasped the importance of seizing control of the vocabulary in order to define “others” as “the Other.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you... I think.  It does make it a whole lot clearer as to who I mean and few Christians seem to resent my use of words in that manner.  They know &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; who I am talking about and they know it&#039;s not them- unless they are part of that group. I have found that many liberal and progressive Christians resent the Religious Reich too.  There are, amazingly, even some Fundamentalist groups who resent them also.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bruce said,

December 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm 

Ahhh, small-minded Mid-Western values. It’s what makes American so great!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bruce, will you please define &quot;small-minded Mid-Western values&quot; and just who you mean by that remark?  I&#039;m not sure if I should resent that remark or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Your use of the phrase “Religious Reich” is a nice touch, by the way. It shows how you, for one, have grasped the importance of seizing control of the vocabulary in order to define “others” as “the Other.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you&#8230; I think.  It does make it a whole lot clearer as to who I mean and few Christians seem to resent my use of words in that manner.  They know <i>exactly</i> who I am talking about and they know it&#8217;s not them- unless they are part of that group. I have found that many liberal and progressive Christians resent the Religious Reich too.  There are, amazingly, even some Fundamentalist groups who resent them also.</p>
<blockquote><p>Bruce said,</p>
<p>December 2, 2007 at 1:25 pm </p>
<p>Ahhh, small-minded Mid-Western values. It’s what makes American so great!</p></blockquote>
<p>Bruce, will you please define &#8220;small-minded Mid-Western values&#8221; and just who you mean by that remark?  I&#8217;m not sure if I should resent that remark or not.</p>
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