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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WaveyDavey:
 Actually you mispoke, those are not just the unconvincing arguments. I would consider it a pretty complete list, and I think it worth re-iterating that they have all been found wanting.

Why you are you asking unbelievers for help finding something convincing in the God hypothesis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WaveyDavey:<br />
 Actually you mispoke, those are not just the unconvincing arguments. I would consider it a pretty complete list, and I think it worth re-iterating that they have all been found wanting.</p>
<p>Why you are you asking unbelievers for help finding something convincing in the God hypothesis?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/30/34-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/comment-page-1/#comment-247774</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to the &quot;fine-tuning&quot; of earth it is important to realize that the earth is not perfect for humans, but rather humans are perfect for the earth.  If conditions on earth were different, life would have undoubtedly evolved in a different manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the &#8220;fine-tuning&#8221; of earth it is important to realize that the earth is not perfect for humans, but rather humans are perfect for the earth.  If conditions on earth were different, life would have undoubtedly evolved in a different manner.</p>
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		<title>By: WaveyDavey</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaveyDavey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, but leaves a big hole - if these are the unconvincing arguments against God, what is left ? What remains for the theist in general, or the Christian, to persuade atheists of the existence of God, if the above arguments are insuffucient ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, but leaves a big hole &#8211; if these are the unconvincing arguments against God, what is left ? What remains for the theist in general, or the Christian, to persuade atheists of the existence of God, if the above arguments are insuffucient ?</p>
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		<title>By: john zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>john zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your list.  I truly appreciate your taking the time to make the list.  I agree that it will save me lots of time.  

However, there are flaws in the list.  You can visit the website noted above and email me if you desire (www.harvardhouse.com).

The reason I like your list is that it provides the viewpoint of Atheists.  And I am preparing the re-do the site to increase its validity.  I will also link to another site as to what is required to know that God does in fact exist.

Most people do not have the ability to meet your challenge. And it is admittedly difficult to prove that God exists.  Nevertheless, multitudes of people actually do KNOW that God does exist since they have a very deep and personal relationship with God.  I am one of those people.  There must be &quot;Objective Spiritual Experiences&quot; to prove that God exists.  By definition, an objective spiritual experience requires more than one person to witness.  And these witnesses will have absolute proof since they experienced the event in an objective way. So when I have updated the website, I will send you a link.  Just email me from the site above and I will put you on the list.  Thanks for posting this on your website.

In addition, there must be valid physical data as a second source to validate the view cited in the paragraph above.  Again, send me emails and I will let you know when the site is redone. In the meantime, visit the site with the idea that it is going to be enhanced.

God bless you in Yeshua&#039;s name,

Love you,

john</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your list.  I truly appreciate your taking the time to make the list.  I agree that it will save me lots of time.  </p>
<p>However, there are flaws in the list.  You can visit the website noted above and email me if you desire (www.harvardhouse.com).</p>
<p>The reason I like your list is that it provides the viewpoint of Atheists.  And I am preparing the re-do the site to increase its validity.  I will also link to another site as to what is required to know that God does in fact exist.</p>
<p>Most people do not have the ability to meet your challenge. And it is admittedly difficult to prove that God exists.  Nevertheless, multitudes of people actually do KNOW that God does exist since they have a very deep and personal relationship with God.  I am one of those people.  There must be &#8220;Objective Spiritual Experiences&#8221; to prove that God exists.  By definition, an objective spiritual experience requires more than one person to witness.  And these witnesses will have absolute proof since they experienced the event in an objective way. So when I have updated the website, I will send you a link.  Just email me from the site above and I will put you on the list.  Thanks for posting this on your website.</p>
<p>In addition, there must be valid physical data as a second source to validate the view cited in the paragraph above.  Again, send me emails and I will let you know when the site is redone. In the meantime, visit the site with the idea that it is going to be enhanced.</p>
<p>God bless you in Yeshua&#8217;s name,</p>
<p>Love you,</p>
<p>john</p>
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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; The Four Cs of Atheism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; The Four Cs of Atheism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is also the author of &#8220;34 Unconvincing Arguments for God.&#8221;)  Like many of you reading this, I describe myself as a flaming liberal. Yet in one area I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is also the author of &#8220;34 Unconvincing Arguments for God.&#8221;)  Like many of you reading this, I describe myself as a flaming liberal. Yet in one area I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JeffS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen said:
&quot;I really have to disagree. Most atheists I have interacted with here and elsewhere are quite cognizant of and familiar with the previous centuries’ arguments against religious belief.

What is new in the last couple of hundred years are the advances of science that now explain so many of the things that only religion could explain in previous generations: Evolution, cosmology, physics, genetics and myriad other disciplines continue to narrow the “gaps” where religious believers insert god in order to make sense of the world, thus making god belief less relevant and less necessary.&quot;

That&#039;s quite a bold and presumptuous statement.  I hope you can identify your own zeitgeist-colored glasses when you assume you know what millions  throughout history were thinking (that might take more faith than believing in Jesus).

HappyNat said:
&quot;Nah, theists keep doing stupid stuff, giving “us” 4000 years of new ammunition. :)&quot;

But strangely you&#039;ve never convinced anyone of you&#039;re brilliance in pointing out the obvious.  God can&#039;t be proven.  Duh.  I&#039;m sorry that you think of centuries of religious thought as &quot;ammunition&quot;.  I can&#039;t help but think you motivations lie in asserting your belief that you see and understand things that religious people can&#039;t instead of truth.

I&#039;m not fighting back- kill me with your &quot;ammunition&quot; if you have to.  Gee, I&#039;ve heard of this story before... :)

P.S. Religious Fundamentalists are just as deluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen said:<br />
&#8220;I really have to disagree. Most atheists I have interacted with here and elsewhere are quite cognizant of and familiar with the previous centuries’ arguments against religious belief.</p>
<p>What is new in the last couple of hundred years are the advances of science that now explain so many of the things that only religion could explain in previous generations: Evolution, cosmology, physics, genetics and myriad other disciplines continue to narrow the “gaps” where religious believers insert god in order to make sense of the world, thus making god belief less relevant and less necessary.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a bold and presumptuous statement.  I hope you can identify your own zeitgeist-colored glasses when you assume you know what millions  throughout history were thinking (that might take more faith than believing in Jesus).</p>
<p>HappyNat said:<br />
&#8220;Nah, theists keep doing stupid stuff, giving “us” 4000 years of new ammunition. <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>But strangely you&#8217;ve never convinced anyone of you&#8217;re brilliance in pointing out the obvious.  God can&#8217;t be proven.  Duh.  I&#8217;m sorry that you think of centuries of religious thought as &#8220;ammunition&#8221;.  I can&#8217;t help but think you motivations lie in asserting your belief that you see and understand things that religious people can&#8217;t instead of truth.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not fighting back- kill me with your &#8220;ammunition&#8221; if you have to.  Gee, I&#8217;ve heard of this story before&#8230; <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. Religious Fundamentalists are just as deluded.</p>
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		<title>By: HappyNat</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappyNat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments-&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nah, theists keep doing stupid stuff, giving &quot;us&quot; 4000 years of  new ammunition. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments-</p></blockquote>
<p>Nah, theists keep doing stupid stuff, giving &#8220;us&#8221; 4000 years of  new ammunition. <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am a Christian, but if I had to, I’m sure I could come up with air-tight reasons why God doesn’t exist- all of them logical and following the rules. How do you reconcile that? The list of reasons above are absolutely sound- so why do I believe in God anyway. Am I just lying to myself?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s something I would never presume to answer. It&#039;s something you have to answer for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am a Christian, but if I had to, I’m sure I could come up with air-tight reasons why God doesn’t exist- all of them logical and following the rules. How do you reconcile that? The list of reasons above are absolutely sound- so why do I believe in God anyway. Am I just lying to myself?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s something I would never presume to answer. It&#8217;s something you have to answer for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments- modern Atheists think what they have come across is new and a product of modern “Science” and logic. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I really have to disagree. Most atheists I have interacted with here and elsewhere are quite cognizant of and familiar with the previous centuries&#039; arguments against religious belief.

What is new in the last couple of hundred years are the advances of science that now explain so many of the things that only religion could explain in previous generations: Evolution, cosmology, physics, genetics and myriad other disciplines continue to narrow the &quot;gaps&quot; where religious believers insert god in order to make sense of the world, thus making god belief less relevant and less necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments- modern Atheists think what they have come across is new and a product of modern “Science” and logic. </p></blockquote>
<p>I really have to disagree. Most atheists I have interacted with here and elsewhere are quite cognizant of and familiar with the previous centuries&#8217; arguments against religious belief.</p>
<p>What is new in the last couple of hundred years are the advances of science that now explain so many of the things that only religion could explain in previous generations: Evolution, cosmology, physics, genetics and myriad other disciplines continue to narrow the &#8220;gaps&#8221; where religious believers insert god in order to make sense of the world, thus making god belief less relevant and less necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also,

I am a Christian, but if I had to, I&#039;m sure I could come up with air-tight reasons why God doesn&#039;t exist- all of them logical and following the rules.  How do you reconcile that?  The list of reasons above are absolutely sound- so why do I believe in God anyway.  Am I just lying to myself?  The answer to that is always subjective and subject to change everyday for every person.  Trying to prove the existence of God is not only moot, but it&#039;s become the worst trope of the human race- it&#039;s as old as humanity.

(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments- modern Atheists think what they have come across is new and a product of modern &quot;Science&quot; and logic.  If the systematic testing of observable phenomenon, i.e. Science, was discovered in the Modern Age, then we would only just now be discovering fire- think about it.).

Faith- you follow or believe something without concrete or repeatable data- yes, we all got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also,</p>
<p>I am a Christian, but if I had to, I&#8217;m sure I could come up with air-tight reasons why God doesn&#8217;t exist- all of them logical and following the rules.  How do you reconcile that?  The list of reasons above are absolutely sound- so why do I believe in God anyway.  Am I just lying to myself?  The answer to that is always subjective and subject to change everyday for every person.  Trying to prove the existence of God is not only moot, but it&#8217;s become the worst trope of the human race- it&#8217;s as old as humanity.</p>
<p>(4000 years ago ( and throughout all history), atheists had the same arguments- modern Atheists think what they have come across is new and a product of modern &#8220;Science&#8221; and logic.  If the systematic testing of observable phenomenon, i.e. Science, was discovered in the Modern Age, then we would only just now be discovering fire- think about it.).</p>
<p>Faith- you follow or believe something without concrete or repeatable data- yes, we all got it.</p>
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