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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94609</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Julia Sweeney is funny.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Julia Sweeney is funny.  <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94571</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Saying it’s OK to walk away from God says that deity exists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, not necessarily, not if it&#039;s used figuratively.  Julia Sweeney&#039;s &quot;Letting go of god&quot; uses a similar construction, but it&#039;s clear when you hear it that what she is letting go of is the idea of god.   It might be clearer to say &quot;walking away from the idea of god&quot; or &quot;the concept of god&quot;, but simply saying &quot;walking away from god&quot; has more dramatic punch. I guess it depends on whether the author prefers impact or absolute clarity; sometimes it&#039;s hard to have both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Saying it’s OK to walk away from God says that deity exists.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, not necessarily, not if it&#8217;s used figuratively.  Julia Sweeney&#8217;s &#8220;Letting go of god&#8221; uses a similar construction, but it&#8217;s clear when you hear it that what she is letting go of is the idea of god.   It might be clearer to say &#8220;walking away from the idea of god&#8221; or &#8220;the concept of god&#8221;, but simply saying &#8220;walking away from god&#8221; has more dramatic punch. I guess it depends on whether the author prefers impact or absolute clarity; sometimes it&#8217;s hard to have both.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94569</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do not darken my doorstep&quot; or &quot;Do not denigrate my doorstep&quot; makes a bit more sense.  My son is 1/2 Black and he came up with that sentence.  He said your sentence was a bit hazey. Even I curled my lip concerning it.  Of course, we both have a fairly good command of the English language.  However, my son says what you said about African American scholars and their feelings about the word denigrate is believable.

In this case, my suggestion was almost the same premise, but due to semantics and not to offensiveness.  The thing is, you can&#039;t walk away from something that doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do not darken my doorstep&#8221; or &#8220;Do not denigrate my doorstep&#8221; makes a bit more sense.  My son is 1/2 Black and he came up with that sentence.  He said your sentence was a bit hazey. Even I curled my lip concerning it.  Of course, we both have a fairly good command of the English language.  However, my son says what you said about African American scholars and their feelings about the word denigrate is believable.</p>
<p>In this case, my suggestion was almost the same premise, but due to semantics and not to offensiveness.  The thing is, you can&#8217;t walk away from something that doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Sax</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94558</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Sax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mriana:  interesting point.

Thought about language here.  &quot;Do not ~denigrate~ believers.&quot;  The word denigrate stems from Latin meaning &quot;to make more black&quot;.  Many African American scholars find its usage offensive (because it implies that black is evil) and suggest &quot;disparage&quot; as a substitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mriana:  interesting point.</p>
<p>Thought about language here.  &#8220;Do not ~denigrate~ believers.&#8221;  The word denigrate stems from Latin meaning &#8220;to make more black&#8221;.  Many African American scholars find its usage offensive (because it implies that black is evil) and suggest &#8220;disparage&#8221; as a substitute.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94533</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question...  If God doesn&#039;t exist, then how can you walk away from s/he/it?  Why not say, it&#039;s OK not to believe _______?  This is not claiming anything exists or doesn&#039;t exist.  Saying it&#039;s OK to walk away from God says that deity exists.  Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question&#8230;  If God doesn&#8217;t exist, then how can you walk away from s/he/it?  Why not say, it&#8217;s OK not to believe _______?  This is not claiming anything exists or doesn&#8217;t exist.  Saying it&#8217;s OK to walk away from God says that deity exists.  Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94486</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hemant - enjoy your blog. Love the &quot;friendly&quot; aspect of it and seeing things from another perspective.

On that note, Jacob wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;we need to let people know that its OK to walk away from God. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
(please read friendly banter into this...) If you&#039;re an atheist, that&#039;s a rather interesting comment, since from your perspective, God doesn&#039;t exist. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hemant &#8211; enjoy your blog. Love the &#8220;friendly&#8221; aspect of it and seeing things from another perspective.</p>
<p>On that note, Jacob wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>we need to let people know that its OK to walk away from God. </p></blockquote>
<p>(please read friendly banter into this&#8230;) If you&#8217;re an atheist, that&#8217;s a rather interesting comment, since from your perspective, God doesn&#8217;t exist. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the humanist notion of engaging the world with both reason and compassion. That&#039;s a nice balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the humanist notion of engaging the world with both reason and compassion. That&#8217;s a nice balance.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mriana: Good point.

@GBG:
&lt;blockquote&gt;When people do things like this it gives the religious one more reason to say “atheism is just another religion” and drag us down to thier level.

We aren’t a religion. We don’t need our own commandments and “ways of living”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Um, ok.  That seems a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  

No, we aren&#039;t a religion, but that doesn&#039;t mean that you can&#039;t adhere to a set of principles.  I intend to lead by example.  I am very interested in a &quot;way of living&quot; that is altruistic, egalitarian, benefits the most people and increases happiness for all.  I &lt;em&gt;insist&lt;/em&gt; on calling myself an atheist, and letting people see for themselves that I am a moral person and can lead a moral life.

The fact that my beliefs on morality happen to coincide with Humanism doesn&#039;t make me religious.  The primary point (IMO) that you have to make to the religious is that you can have morality without religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mriana: Good point.</p>
<p>@GBG:</p>
<blockquote><p>When people do things like this it gives the religious one more reason to say “atheism is just another religion” and drag us down to thier level.</p>
<p>We aren’t a religion. We don’t need our own commandments and “ways of living”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Um, ok.  That seems a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  </p>
<p>No, we aren&#8217;t a religion, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that you can&#8217;t adhere to a set of principles.  I intend to lead by example.  I am very interested in a &#8220;way of living&#8221; that is altruistic, egalitarian, benefits the most people and increases happiness for all.  I <em>insist</em> on calling myself an atheist, and letting people see for themselves that I am a moral person and can lead a moral life.</p>
<p>The fact that my beliefs on morality happen to coincide with Humanism doesn&#8217;t make me religious.  The primary point (IMO) that you have to make to the religious is that you can have morality without religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/11/25/a-manifesto-for-non-belief/comment-page-1/#comment-94421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Moeller, the AHA has the same thing.  The only difference is that the AHA has the Humanist Manifesto III and CSH has the Humanist Manifesto 2000.  The second manifesto was drafted by Paul Kurtz.

Therefore, I would say Humanism sums it up for me- no adjective added.  It makes it much simpler since the two are basically the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Moeller, the AHA has the same thing.  The only difference is that the AHA has the Humanist Manifesto III and CSH has the Humanist Manifesto 2000.  The second manifesto was drafted by Paul Kurtz.</p>
<p>Therefore, I would say Humanism sums it up for me- no adjective added.  It makes it much simpler since the two are basically the same.</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
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		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he needs to mind his business because I will act just as I please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he needs to mind his business because I will act just as I please.</p>
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