Comments on: Moment of Forced Silence Implemented in Illinois http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/ Atheism with Positivity Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:52:58 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Friendly Atheist » Moment of Silence Irony in Action http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-175746 Friendly Atheist » Moment of Silence Irony in Action Sat, 31 May 2008 15:00:53 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-175746 [...] State Senator Kimberly Lightfoot didn’t like the idea of teachers deciding what’s best for their classrooms, so she sponsored a bill to make the moment of silence mandatory. [...] [...] State Senator Kimberly Lightfoot didn’t like the idea of teachers deciding what’s best for their classrooms, so she sponsored a bill to make the moment of silence mandatory. [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Illinois State Senator Kimberly Lightford Nailed by Rob Sherman http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-142839 Friendly Atheist » Illinois State Senator Kimberly Lightford Nailed by Rob Sherman Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:00:47 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-142839 [...] Kimberly Lightford (D-Maywood) is the moron who sponsored the Mandatory Moment of Silence bill in the Illinois [...] [...] Kimberly Lightford (D-Maywood) is the moron who sponsored the Mandatory Moment of Silence bill in the Illinois [...]

]]> By: kathy http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-136684 kathy Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:42:04 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-136684 I don't believe in god. I do believe there is more to life than what we have here and now but it is not wrapped up in biblical stories of heaven etc. I do however work as a counselor in a continuation school and devote a lot of time to my daughters high school involving myself in a lot of projects. I am not so closed minded though as to think taking a couple of minutes a day to reflect on perhaps some text that reaffirms self worth, or the value of responding to anger and violence by walking away or just refusing to play the game, or how to find help for leaving gangs or getting off drugs, or to praise a positive achievement of fellow students especially with a population that rarely hears it at home or to thank a group of students that picked up some stray garbage at lunch without prompting might do more good to build up the self esteem of kids or get them thinking of another way of reacting to the dark side of this world than sitting and waiting on a teacher to set out his materials and post assignments on the board before starting class. The first period in school no matter where that school is has usually 5 extra minutes built in to allow for announcements and school business so the idea of losing 3 hours is lame. Perhaps five few minutes at lunch to do this would be a solution if you are so worried. Anyway you can bring something positive into a childs day anymore or get him thinking that the wrong way is not always the only way or just getting him to think period and stretch his brain through a couple of minutes of maybe spontaneous discussion with his peers might be a really good thing. I do not believe the word prayer was used by the legislature but if a couple of kids chose to do it silently I have no problem with it, I'm sure it happens around us all the time, we make time for muslims to do their prayer rituals at school because that is PC why not give everyone the freedom to find a better path either through their religion or through just doing and thinking the right thing. The Golden Rule can't hurt anyone and it doesn't come with missionaries trying to convert you. As I said I am not a believer but I don't mind others believing and when they come to my door I have no problem smiling and saying no thanks. Rudeness begets rudeness and don't we have enough of that in the world today? I just happened on this site and nothing particular brought me here but I have to say I have never found atheists to be a particularly friendly bunch. They are so filled with rage they lash out and make it bad for everyone. If I can say no politely and not be rude can't you? Why take pride in gutting legislation that could possibly bring some good into the lives of others? Not all children are as lucky as your daughter to have an involved parent and eventually your daughter is going to leave your nest and will be thrown to the zealots so she needs to learn how to get along and handle them and not do it in a way to bring anger and stress and a heart attack by 50 into her life. Perhaps Dad your concern is that she will find her own way askew from your beliefs. Are you so controlling that you demand that she see the world and everything your own way? My daughter registered Democrat with me being a life long intensely involved in my local chapter Republican. Did I scream and yell and tell her to change it? Nah. A sweet smile and a week sobbing in bed with a pack of oreos and milk can make even a Democrat look OK. :) Chill out...there is enough hatred in the world by religious evangelicals, fanatical terrorist zealots, cranky atheists who can see only one path in a world full of interstates and highways and byways. Don't narrow your daughters world, let her see all of it and come to terms with it her own way. Chances are it will be close to your way but if it isn't and she likes limberger while you like fontina arent you still going to love her and isn't she going to still love you? kathy I don’t believe in god. I do believe there is more to life than what we have here and now but it is not wrapped up in biblical stories of heaven etc. I do however work as a counselor in a continuation school and devote a lot of time to my daughters high school involving myself in a lot of projects. I am not so closed minded though as to think taking a couple of minutes a day to reflect on perhaps some text that reaffirms self worth, or the value of responding to anger and violence by walking away or just refusing to play the game, or how to find help for leaving gangs or getting off drugs, or to praise a positive achievement of fellow students especially with a population that rarely hears it at home or to thank a group of students that picked up some stray garbage at lunch without prompting might do more good to build up the self esteem of kids or get them thinking of another way of reacting to the dark side of this world than sitting and waiting on a teacher to set out his materials and post assignments on the board before starting class. The first period in school no matter where that school is has usually 5 extra minutes built in to allow for announcements and school business so the idea of losing 3 hours is lame. Perhaps five few minutes at lunch to do this would be a solution if you are so worried. Anyway you can bring something positive into a childs day anymore or get him thinking that the wrong way is not always the only way or just getting him to think period and stretch his brain through a couple of minutes of maybe spontaneous discussion with his peers might be a really good thing. I do not believe the word prayer was used by the legislature but if a couple of kids chose to do it silently I have no problem with it, I’m sure it happens around us all the time, we make time for muslims to do their prayer rituals at school because that is PC why not give everyone the freedom to find a better path either through their religion or through just doing and thinking the right thing. The Golden Rule can’t hurt anyone and it doesn’t come with missionaries trying to convert you. As I said I am not a believer but I don’t mind others believing and when they come to my door I have no problem smiling and saying no thanks. Rudeness begets rudeness and don’t we have enough of that in the world today? I just happened on this site and nothing particular brought me here but I have to say I have never found atheists to be a particularly friendly bunch. They are so filled with rage they lash out and make it bad for everyone. If I can say no politely and not be rude can’t you? Why take pride in gutting legislation that could possibly bring some good into the lives of others? Not all children are as lucky as your daughter to have an involved parent and eventually your daughter is going to leave your nest and will be thrown to the zealots so she needs to learn how to get along and handle them and not do it in a way to bring anger and stress and a heart attack by 50 into her life. Perhaps Dad your concern is that she will find her own way askew from your beliefs. Are you so controlling that you demand that she see the world and everything your own way? My daughter registered Democrat with me being a life long intensely involved in my local chapter Republican. Did I scream and yell and tell her to change it? Nah. A sweet smile and a week sobbing in bed with a pack of oreos and milk can make even a Democrat look OK. :) Chill out…there is enough hatred in the world by religious evangelicals, fanatical terrorist zealots, cranky atheists who can see only one path in a world full of interstates and highways and byways. Don’t narrow your daughters world, let her see all of it and come to terms with it her own way. Chances are it will be close to your way but if it isn’t and she likes limberger while you like fontina arent you still going to love her and isn’t she going to still love you?

kathy

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Mandatory Moment of Silence Gutted http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-136632 Friendly Atheist » Mandatory Moment of Silence Gutted Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:07:19 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-136632 [...] few months ago, the Illinois legislature had passed a law requiring public schools to observe a moment of silence in the [...] [...] few months ago, the Illinois legislature had passed a law requiring public schools to observe a moment of silence in the [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Evanston Says No to Mandatory Moment of Silence http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-84752 Friendly Atheist » Evanston Says No to Mandatory Moment of Silence Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:59:22 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-84752 [...] Evanston-Skokie School District 65 board rightfully voted against enforcing the mandatory moment of silence law in Illinois. “We have no intention of either prohibiting or forcing compliance,” [...] [...] Evanston-Skokie School District 65 board rightfully voted against enforcing the mandatory moment of silence law in Illinois. “We have no intention of either prohibiting or forcing compliance,” [...]

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Suing Over the Mandatory Moment of Silence http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-80765 Friendly Atheist » Suing Over the Mandatory Moment of Silence Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:06:23 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-80765 [...] has a law mandating a moment of silence in public [...] [...] has a law mandating a moment of silence in public [...]

]]> By: Kevin http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-79486 Kevin Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:09:10 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-79486 I think the moment of silence is an amazing idea. I'm in school right now and the time that moment took was like 10 seconds. So don't cry about less time for school because I mean if your athiest what time do you have after you die. I think the moment of silence is an amazing idea. I’m in school right now and the time that moment took was like 10 seconds. So don’t cry about less time for school because I mean if your athiest what time do you have after you die.

]]> By: Joel Sax http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-77704 Joel Sax Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:58:37 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-77704 Hm. Could we have it instead of the Pledge of Allegiance? Hm. Could we have it instead of the Pledge of Allegiance?

]]> By: Friendly Atheist » Response to Illinois’ Moment of Forced Silence http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-77699 Friendly Atheist » Response to Illinois’ Moment of Forced Silence Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:52:27 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-77699 [...] that Illinois has mandated a moment of silence in public school classrooms, you can hear the complaints loud and [...] [...] that Illinois has mandated a moment of silence in public school classrooms, you can hear the complaints loud and [...]

]]> By: Tuesday, 16 October 2007 « blueollie http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/comment-page-1/#comment-77628 Tuesday, 16 October 2007 « blueollie Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:41:33 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/14/moment-of-forced-silence-implemented-in-illinois/#comment-77628 [...] the unaware, our idiotic state legislature (controlled by Democrats, by the way), MANDATED that our schools have a period of silence. That’s right: it is supposed to be mandatory! Mind you, we live in a friggin blue [...] [...] the unaware, our idiotic state legislature (controlled by Democrats, by the way), MANDATED that our schools have a period of silence. That’s right: it is supposed to be mandatory! Mind you, we live in a friggin blue [...]

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