Comments on: The Meaning of Secular http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/ Atheism with Positivity Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:59:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: nullifidian http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75336 nullifidian Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:56:25 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75336 Why my previous comment has been attributed to "Bad Religion Crossbuster", I have no idea... Why my previous comment has been attributed to “Bad Religion Crossbuster”, I have no idea…

]]> By: Bad Religion Crossbuster http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75335 Bad Religion Crossbuster Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:55:19 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75335 Tim wrote: <blockquote>Hey, that thing on the left side is the Bad Religion Crossbuster Logo! Sweet!</blockquote> Actually, this was just a quick thing I threw together. Any resemblance to same is purely coïncidental, but I guess there can't be too many variations on an upright tailed cross with a "no" sign overlaid. :-) Tim wrote:

Hey, that thing on the left side is the Bad Religion Crossbuster Logo! Sweet!

Actually, this was just a quick thing I threw together. Any resemblance to same is purely coïncidental, but I guess there can’t be too many variations on an upright tailed cross with a “no” sign overlaid. :-)

]]> By: Joel Sax http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75205 Joel Sax Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:00:57 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75205 I'm baaaaaack! Thanks for the graphic! I've said this for years -- that American government is ~not supposed to have an opinion~ on which religion is the correct one. I think some fundies understand this which is why they work very hard to couch evolution as the product of a religion that they call "Science". But Science, like good government, has no opinion which infuriates those who seek insight strictly through emotion (and never testing the validity of the emotion). Damn, I could go on, but I'd be preaching to the choir -- secularists do sing, right? I’m baaaaaack!

Thanks for the graphic! I’ve said this for years — that American government is ~not supposed to have an opinion~ on which religion is the correct one. I think some fundies understand this which is why they work very hard to couch evolution as the product of a religion that they call “Science”.

But Science, like good government, has no opinion which infuriates those who seek insight strictly through emotion (and never testing the validity of the emotion). Damn, I could go on, but I’d be preaching to the choir — secularists do sing, right?

]]> By: Darryl http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75177 Darryl Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:42:17 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75177 When they're passing laws In Jesus' name Who ya' gonna' call: CrossBusters! When they hide their flaws And have no shame Who ya' gonna' call: CrossBusters! When they’re passing laws
In Jesus’ name
Who ya’ gonna’ call: CrossBusters!

When they hide their flaws
And have no shame
Who ya’ gonna’ call: CrossBusters!

]]> By: Tim http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75162 Tim Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:18:50 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75162 Hey, that thing on the left side is the Bad Religion Crossbuster Logo! Sweet! Hey, that thing on the left side is the Bad Religion Crossbuster Logo! Sweet!

]]> By: Darryl http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75152 Darryl Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:04:20 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75152 In the present state of affairs here in the U.S. that explanation is insufficient. If all sides agreed to keep their religion out of the public space, we could have your view of secularity--but they don't, and we can't. It is necessary to publish the reasons for our pro-secular stance, and those reasons include a critique of the damage that religion does to a liberal democracy when it intrudes into the public sphere. Since the political Christian and Islamic fundamentalists consider such a critique an attack, then despite our intentions, these fundamentalists will see secularism as an attack on religion and on them in particular. So, "secular" means religious views are private, and theocracy is forbidden. In the present state of affairs here in the U.S. that explanation is insufficient. If all sides agreed to keep their religion out of the public space, we could have your view of secularity–but they don’t, and we can’t. It is necessary to publish the reasons for our pro-secular stance, and those reasons include a critique of the damage that religion does to a liberal democracy when it intrudes into the public sphere. Since the political Christian and Islamic fundamentalists consider such a critique an attack, then despite our intentions, these fundamentalists will see secularism as an attack on religion and on them in particular.

So, “secular” means religious views are private, and theocracy is forbidden.

]]> By: Maria http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75130 Maria Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:40:18 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75130 that's a great picture. I wish more people would get it b/c I've seen some people on both sides use the picture on the left to represent secularism, and it's stupid and wrong to do that. I'm going to use that picture! that’s a great picture. I wish more people would get it b/c I’ve seen some people on both sides use the picture on the left to represent secularism, and it’s stupid and wrong to do that. I’m going to use that picture!

]]> By: Kate http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75070 Kate Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:45:12 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75070 I'm going to print that diagram, make copies, and distribute accordingly whenever I hear moronic statements. I’m going to print that diagram, make copies, and distribute accordingly whenever I hear moronic statements.

]]> By: Mriana http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/comment-page-1/#comment-75064 Mriana Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:32:01 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/10/07/the-meaning-of-secular/#comment-75064 This is true and I really think if the religious thought about this long enough, they could very well come to the conclusion there are far too many different beliefs to be pushing Catholism, Protestantism, Islam, Judaism, or one of many other beliefs in the U.S. in which one group or the other would balk about if that happened. Catholics were get upset about Protestantism and vise versa, yet they are both Christian. Episcopalians would get upset about evangelical fundamentalism, yet they are both Protestant. Like I said, if people would think it through long enough, no religion in the general public is better than one religion. As you said, it's not anti-religion, but rather it is considerate of eveyone involved. This is true and I really think if the religious thought about this long enough, they could very well come to the conclusion there are far too many different beliefs to be pushing Catholism, Protestantism, Islam, Judaism, or one of many other beliefs in the U.S. in which one group or the other would balk about if that happened. Catholics were get upset about Protestantism and vise versa, yet they are both Christian. Episcopalians would get upset about evangelical fundamentalism, yet they are both Protestant.

Like I said, if people would think it through long enough, no religion in the general public is better than one religion. As you said, it’s not anti-religion, but rather it is considerate of eveyone involved.

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