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		<title>By: Michael Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you August Berkshire (Cool name!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you August Berkshire (Cool name!)</p>
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		<title>By: us review</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/09/24/21-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/comment-page-3/#comment-283437</link>
		<dc:creator>us review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men always ask this question about what is it that will help them get the right women. There are some important steps that every man must keep in mind before he approaches a woman. These steps will not only him be successful but also help him attract women.All relationships go over bumps in the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men always ask this question about what is it that will help them get the right women. There are some important steps that every man must keep in mind before he approaches a woman. These steps will not only him be successful but also help him attract women.All relationships go over bumps in the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Dully</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/09/24/21-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/comment-page-3/#comment-233304</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Dully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow all this energy used and NO ONE will know for sure until they die....

No cure for birth or death RELAX and enjoy the interval...

Howard Dully
The lobotomized guy that feels LOVE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow all this energy used and NO ONE will know for sure until they die&#8230;.</p>
<p>No cure for birth or death RELAX and enjoy the interval&#8230;</p>
<p>Howard Dully<br />
The lobotomized guy that feels LOVE</p>
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		<title>By: Awesomesauce</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/09/24/21-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/comment-page-3/#comment-226142</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesomesauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe I will do so merely on the fact that you called me &quot;Mr. Awesome.&quot; That made me smile.

One quick tip though, you&#039;re likely to get more visitors if you do away with the generalizations you seem to have about atheists. There seldom exists a group about which you can use the phrase &quot;according to all,&quot; and get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I will do so merely on the fact that you called me &#8220;Mr. Awesome.&#8221; That made me smile.</p>
<p>One quick tip though, you&#8217;re likely to get more visitors if you do away with the generalizations you seem to have about atheists. There seldom exists a group about which you can use the phrase &#8220;according to all,&#8221; and get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Awesome,

My perspective is not so unique. If you keep an open mind you will see a lot of it around. The problem is that the minds of  atheists are pretty closed, just like fundamentalist Christians. They are all looking for some irrefutable &#039;proof&#039; which will never be available. Such a proof would negate the Divine Law that guarantees human free will. That is just not allowed. 

If the existence of God was so unquestionably evident then people would not be free to choose between good and evil. They would be too afraid to choose to do any evil (which includes things like all the lies at the recent RNC). Even cold-hearted persons like Dick Cheney would have to take Jesus&#039;s injunction to &#039;Love your enemies&#039; seriously. (The book of horrors which is the Old Testament was probably written by the Devil, if there is such a person, so don&#039;t quote to me from that).

The only way the existence of God can be known is by personal experience. You can become a believer either by your own experience or by accepting the testimony of others who have had such an experience. Most nonbelievers are not spiritually developed enough to have an experience of their own (with rare exceptions like when Saul became Paul). Atheists are so clever and superior that they believe that all those hundreds who have had such an experience are either liars or delusional - this is really the height of arrogance.

Like I said before, perhaps someday you will hear a voice in your head. If you are lucky you may see a vision also. However, you may die of fright, because according to all atheists, you will be going crazy.

To find out how someone experienced god with all his senses, read Yogananda&#039;s autobiography. To get a glimpse of the nature of god and answers to favorite atheists&#039; questions like why there is suffering, what happens after death, go to my website http://www.sentforlife.com . I have invited many atheists to go through the material on the site and challenge me on the contents (on the basis of logic - no &#039;proof&#039; is offered), but no one has taken the bait so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Awesome,</p>
<p>My perspective is not so unique. If you keep an open mind you will see a lot of it around. The problem is that the minds of  atheists are pretty closed, just like fundamentalist Christians. They are all looking for some irrefutable &#8216;proof&#8217; which will never be available. Such a proof would negate the Divine Law that guarantees human free will. That is just not allowed. </p>
<p>If the existence of God was so unquestionably evident then people would not be free to choose between good and evil. They would be too afraid to choose to do any evil (which includes things like all the lies at the recent RNC). Even cold-hearted persons like Dick Cheney would have to take Jesus&#8217;s injunction to &#8216;Love your enemies&#8217; seriously. (The book of horrors which is the Old Testament was probably written by the Devil, if there is such a person, so don&#8217;t quote to me from that).</p>
<p>The only way the existence of God can be known is by personal experience. You can become a believer either by your own experience or by accepting the testimony of others who have had such an experience. Most nonbelievers are not spiritually developed enough to have an experience of their own (with rare exceptions like when Saul became Paul). Atheists are so clever and superior that they believe that all those hundreds who have had such an experience are either liars or delusional &#8211; this is really the height of arrogance.</p>
<p>Like I said before, perhaps someday you will hear a voice in your head. If you are lucky you may see a vision also. However, you may die of fright, because according to all atheists, you will be going crazy.</p>
<p>To find out how someone experienced god with all his senses, read Yogananda&#8217;s autobiography. To get a glimpse of the nature of god and answers to favorite atheists&#8217; questions like why there is suffering, what happens after death, go to my website <a href="http://www.sentforlife.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sentforlife.com</a> . I have invited many atheists to go through the material on the site and challenge me on the contents (on the basis of logic &#8211; no &#8216;proof&#8217; is offered), but no one has taken the bait so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Awesomesauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Awesomesauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

You certainly have a fascinating perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>You certainly have a fascinating perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Odd, I don’t remember ever saying that.Yes, I’d even settle for evidence. Do you have any?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Proof and evidence are basically the same thing. I doubt if there will EVER be any evidence or &#039;proof&#039;. It is against the law. If there was &#039;proof&#039; then all intelligent, rational persons would be forced to be believers - that would infringe on their free will - which is never permitted.
&lt;blockquote&gt;How do they know it was a god? How do they know which god it is? I have so many questions for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is true you do not know that it is THE god. But it definitely something &#039;supernatural&#039;. Whether you are convinced it is god or something else, depends on what the voice says and what kind of person you are. You can ask the voice whatever you want.
&lt;blockquote&gt;All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses ---It seems as though you’re referring to the death penalty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Maybe I should have said most atheists. Consider a place like China which has the most atheists in the world. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Suppose I hear a voice in my head. Now what?&lt;/blockquote&gt;You obviously have not heard this voice. But as I said there hundreds maybe thousands over centuries who have, those are the witnesses/testimonies that you need to count and consider. And again, with any luck, you may someday be one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Odd, I don’t remember ever saying that.Yes, I’d even settle for evidence. Do you have any?</p></blockquote>
<p>Proof and evidence are basically the same thing. I doubt if there will EVER be any evidence or &#8216;proof&#8217;. It is against the law. If there was &#8216;proof&#8217; then all intelligent, rational persons would be forced to be believers &#8211; that would infringe on their free will &#8211; which is never permitted.</p>
<blockquote><p>How do they know it was a god? How do they know which god it is? I have so many questions for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is true you do not know that it is THE god. But it definitely something &#8217;supernatural&#8217;. Whether you are convinced it is god or something else, depends on what the voice says and what kind of person you are. You can ask the voice whatever you want.</p>
<blockquote><p>All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses &#8212;It seems as though you’re referring to the death penalty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe I should have said most atheists. Consider a place like China which has the most atheists in the world. </p>
<blockquote><p>Suppose I hear a voice in my head. Now what?</p></blockquote>
<p>You obviously have not heard this voice. But as I said there hundreds maybe thousands over centuries who have, those are the witnesses/testimonies that you need to count and consider. And again, with any luck, you may someday be one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Awesomesauce</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/09/24/21-unconvincing-arguments-for-god/comment-page-2/#comment-225357</link>
		<dc:creator>Awesomesauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Again this talk about ‘proof’! Basically you are saying that if you heard an avatar’s voice in your head, that is not good enough for you. You don’t really believe your own senses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Odd, I don&#039;t remember ever saying that. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;
 You want some ‘concrete’ proof?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I&#039;d even settle for evidence. Do you have any?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Many people have heard the voice of God.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do they know it was a god? How do they know which god it is? I have so many questions for them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses, but they chose not to trust those you who that they have heard the voice.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It seems as though you&#039;re referring to the death penalty. You dug your argument a cozy grave when you said all atheists are willing to send people to their deaths over testimony.

First off, many atheists do not support &quot;sending people to their deaths.&quot; Second, there would have to be more than witnesses for something that serious to happen. 

There has to be some evidence or &quot;proof&quot; in order for somebody to be sentenced to such punishment. Saying that all it takes is testimony shows a lack of understanding.

Are you saying that somehow the specific god you believe in is exempt from such scrutiny?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe someday soon you will hear the voice too. Unfortunately for you, you may not believe your own sense and will continue wait for some ‘proof’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I will humor you and imagine this scenario. Suppose I hear a voice in my head. Now what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Again this talk about ‘proof’! Basically you are saying that if you heard an avatar’s voice in your head, that is not good enough for you. You don’t really believe your own senses.</p></blockquote>
<p>Odd, I don&#8217;t remember ever saying that. </p>
<blockquote><p>
 You want some ‘concrete’ proof?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;d even settle for evidence. Do you have any?</p>
<blockquote><p>Many people have heard the voice of God.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do they know it was a god? How do they know which god it is? I have so many questions for them.</p>
<blockquote><p>All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses, but they chose not to trust those you who that they have heard the voice.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems as though you&#8217;re referring to the death penalty. You dug your argument a cozy grave when you said all atheists are willing to send people to their deaths over testimony.</p>
<p>First off, many atheists do not support &#8220;sending people to their deaths.&#8221; Second, there would have to be more than witnesses for something that serious to happen. </p>
<p>There has to be some evidence or &#8220;proof&#8221; in order for somebody to be sentenced to such punishment. Saying that all it takes is testimony shows a lack of understanding.</p>
<p>Are you saying that somehow the specific god you believe in is exempt from such scrutiny?</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe someday soon you will hear the voice too. Unfortunately for you, you may not believe your own sense and will continue wait for some ‘proof’</p></blockquote>
<p>I will humor you and imagine this scenario. Suppose I hear a voice in my head. Now what?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Something like that would be neat. If you could show us one of these avatars and he/she/it could prove (or even give ANY evidence) that a god exists, that would be great for your credibility&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again this talk about &#039;proof&#039;! Basically you are saying that if you heard an avatar&#039;s voice in your head, that is not good enough for you. You don&#039;t really believe your own senses. You want some &#039;concrete&#039; proof?

Many people have heard the voice of God. All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses, but they chose not to trust those you who that they have heard the voice.

Maybe someday soon you will hear the voice too. Unfortunately for you, you may not believe your own sense and will continue wait for some &#039;proof&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Something like that would be neat. If you could show us one of these avatars and he/she/it could prove (or even give ANY evidence) that a god exists, that would be great for your credibility</p></blockquote>
<p>Again this talk about &#8216;proof&#8217;! Basically you are saying that if you heard an avatar&#8217;s voice in your head, that is not good enough for you. You don&#8217;t really believe your own senses. You want some &#8216;concrete&#8217; proof?</p>
<p>Many people have heard the voice of God. All atheist are willing to send people to their deaths on the basis of witnesses, but they chose not to trust those you who that they have heard the voice.</p>
<p>Maybe someday soon you will hear the voice too. Unfortunately for you, you may not believe your own sense and will continue wait for some &#8216;proof&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Awesomesauce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Awesomesauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyway, I had a question for all atheists - if the Christ or some other Avatar returned to the world today. what would it take for him to convince you that he is was an Avatar and that God (in some form) does exist? What if you heard his voice in your head without him actually speaking aloud? Would that be good enough?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Something like that would be neat. If you could show us one of these avatars and he/she/it could prove (or even give ANY evidence) that a god exists, that would be great for your credibility. 

Keep in mind that a definition of this god would be nice. If you can define it, that helps to us know when you&#039;ve really found it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyway, I had a question for all atheists &#8211; if the Christ or some other Avatar returned to the world today. what would it take for him to convince you that he is was an Avatar and that God (in some form) does exist? What if you heard his voice in your head without him actually speaking aloud? Would that be good enough?</p></blockquote>
<p>Something like that would be neat. If you could show us one of these avatars and he/she/it could prove (or even give ANY evidence) that a god exists, that would be great for your credibility. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that a definition of this god would be nice. If you can define it, that helps to us know when you&#8217;ve really found it.</p>
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