How ’bout it now?

Also, I’m guessing most of you accept Newtonian physics has pretty much been proven? So you accept that an action has a reaction? Would you be interested to learn that the Sanskrit word for action is “karma?” Is it possible to understand an action without it’s reaction?

We could certainly go back and forth with debates about ‘theism’ or ‘atheism’ forever, but I am more interested in coming up with real, tangible solutions to that which ails the world. Would anyone care to address the solution I am proposing at the link I previously provided?

(here it is again: http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/1835 )

If you are interested in reading other conversations I have had with others about some of the same stuff we are talking about, please visit here:

http://aguyinthepew.blogspot.com/2007/07/faith-reason-and-science-part-x-some.html

Kind regards,
Geoffrey

you just think for yourself. You don’t need a rule book to do that. Just the courage to SAY NO to the cultural mythic BS.

The christian bible is a joke book.

Ask Joseph Atwill…..at amazon.com

Sagan

Life is not a supernatual eternity test.

Sagan

Life is not a supernatural eternity test. Imagine THAT!

just more mythic BS. More money to be made my the myth makers and more mind control to add to the mix of myths.

Sigh.

Read the childs book Dumbo my Disney… message is … believe in yourself.and think for yourself.

hear the song… IMAGINE … and IMAGINE with me.

Sagan

HUH?

Well to answer that side road topic. It is the supernatural believer in the whitehouse that has started and feed this war not an ATHEIST.

This fools war has nothing but myth driving it. The endless lies keep it going.

Most of the killing there is one moslim group killing the other over myth technacalities and oil wealth. It has nothing to do with freethinking or reality.

It will not end because it is needed to feed the myth agenda of the US government leaders.

Bush is a preacher not a leader. This war like all the rest are based on lies and stupidity. And you Can’t FIX Stupid!

It is not the evil atheists who are killing or world, it is the greedy theists.

The only working population control we have is war. And it is the only mythic sactioned method approved by our theistic government.

read Daniel Quinns books . He has the blueprint of what humanity has is and will be doing to our planet.

Programs and myths do not make positive changes for humanity,

they are just more tools used to promote the stupidity.

Sagan

If the gods are so smart, then why do we have to pray to them to make them do anything? Our gods are as stupid as those who believe in them.

Life is not a supernatural Eternity test.

There is nor more reason to believe in an afterlife, then there is to believe in a before life. both are dumb ideas.

I can imagine a better day for humanity. Can you? You seem intolerant of people who practice religions, yet would you wish tolerance from those same people for your non-belief?

Here is what I am proposing:
http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/1835

I encourage you to come up with better solutions to ending war, intolerance, genocide, environmental degradation, etc. (all the man-made suffering).

Kind regards,
Geoff

So IMAGINE for a moment that my belief in God is a myth. Then I suppose that when I die I will be in exactly the same position as any good little atheist. And. I might add, there will be no regret on my behalf for the path that I have chosen for my life.

Of course, you will have wasted the only life you will ever have by living according to a great big lie. Now that’s something I’m not willing to risk. There’s lots of real good I can do in the world if I don’t waste my time and energy worrying about, oh, say, other people’s sex lives, or how to convince science teachers to teach myths, or how it’s my moral duty to undermine the constitution.

So when people come by here once, read nothing, and post something along the lines of “JESUS LOVES YOU BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL LOL” its fairly annoying. When an article is posted and people proclaim that we are all stupid for believing we arose from goo, we roll our eyes, especially when the article and the comment are not related in any way.

I wasn’t specifically speaking of your responses, but let’s decontruct them:

People like the people who would beat someone up for insulting the name of Jesus are ignorant, and also the person who would write something so vile about a person who was a complete pacifist, anarchist, and completely selfless is an action based in ignorance

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This depends on what you believe about Jesus. Some atheists don’t buy into your theory that Jesus was all-loving and perfect. Who’s to say that dying because of your destiny is a sacrifice? Who is to stay its historically accurate?

I would hope that religious adherents are trying to find answers (and inner and outer peace) through faith and following the rules established in their religion (10 commandments, non-materialism, forgiveness, compassion, etc).

Not everyone here believes faith is a virtue. Also, you realize there were two sets of the Ten Commandments? And who is to say that my interpretation of them is the same as yours? I could read them and think vegetarianism is a virtue, and someone else could read it and believe that the beasts of burden exist to do our bidding. Both make sense following those rules.

I think it is important to see that not everyone has the same views of God.

I am utterly shocked.

Though, I would suggest Darwin’s theory of evolution has some holes in it which can be verified with hard science and research done since he lived and died. There is actually some pretty strong evidence for the ‘intelligent design’ theory which borrows heavily from Darwin’s theory of evolution.

So something that cribs heavily from something that has been tested has some evidence for it? If I decide that god uses his god magic to create gravity, it this “pretty strong evidence” that Jen’s God Theory of Gravity is true?

A real scientist would weigh all the theories against reason and empirical truths and not accept a theory as fact when there is evidence that disproves part of the theory.

A real scientist cannot test “god did it”. It is impossible. And a real scientist is not going to test all the theories- first of all, a theory in science is a wee bit different from a theory as used in general speech. If you mean it how most people use it, then no, a scientist is not going to test all the theories out there- there are many, many theories. Scientific theories are one step away from being a law, the highest scientific rules. Theories are tested extensively.

For example, if you accept the ‘big bang’ theory, how does one explain the universe coming into existence out of nothingness? Perhaps there was some ‘Creator’ which we cannot all percieve?

We aren’t sure yet, but a creation doesn’t imply a creator.

Oh, and a Christian or a Muslim who truly ‘walks the walk’ as perscribed by the founders of their respective faiths would completely be able to coexist peacefully on our planet.

True Scotsman argument. Are you really sure that the Bible and the Koron advocate peace towards everyone? Or maybe they suggest that killing non-believers is kosher?

This does not mean following every verse of the Koran or Bible literally, as some of what is presented in those books was relevant to previous ages, and some was added by people with political motivations—then of course, there is the ‘telephone-game’ effect of having ancient languages translated and retranslated, etc.

Why should I follow your religion if the source is corrupt? How would I ever know what was political, what was Telephone, what was really advocated by my god?

Jen, you’re right. This is like picking up a rock in my garden.