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		<title>By: astutebee</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/07/24/what-should-the-focus-be/comment-page-1/#comment-57487</link>
		<dc:creator>astutebee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building new settler units or converting unhappy citizens into content citizens, you say.  Been playing Sid Meier&#039;s Civilization lately?

Anyway, I vote we go for the Alpha Centauri ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building new settler units or converting unhappy citizens into content citizens, you say.  Been playing Sid Meier&#8217;s Civilization lately?</p>
<p>Anyway, I vote we go for the Alpha Centauri ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/07/24/what-should-the-focus-be/comment-page-1/#comment-57147</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Humanist emblem there (32) much better than the atheist one, which looks vaguely radioactive, scary and off-putting.

Interesting just to look over that site and see how many &quot;official&quot; religious groups there are, even just those recognized by Arlington, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Humanist emblem there (32) much better than the atheist one, which looks vaguely radioactive, scary and off-putting.</p>
<p>Interesting just to look over that site and see how many &#8220;official&#8221; religious groups there are, even just those recognized by Arlington, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/07/24/what-should-the-focus-be/comment-page-1/#comment-57145</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/logo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;symbol was chosen by the American Atheists in 1963&lt;/a&gt;.   My first reaction was similar to Polly&#039;s, but more like &quot;I&#039;m an atheist, not a nuclear physicist.&quot;  Not that I have anything against nuclear physicists, mind you...  ;)  Still, I&#039;m not going to rush out and buy a T-shirt with that on it, not even if I&#039;m planning a visit to Arlington.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that <a href="http://www.atheists.org/visitors.center/logo.html" rel="nofollow">symbol was chosen by the American Atheists in 1963</a>.   My first reaction was similar to Polly&#8217;s, but more like &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist, not a nuclear physicist.&#8221;  Not that I have anything against nuclear physicists, mind you&#8230;  <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Still, I&#8217;m not going to rush out and buy a T-shirt with that on it, not even if I&#8217;m planning a visit to Arlington.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Krahn</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/07/24/what-should-the-focus-be/comment-page-1/#comment-56913</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Krahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented on this same article and posted an article on Dawkins at Digital Journal that you might be interested in.  The article can be found at: 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/210063/The_Dawkins_Defeat

FYI - If you haven&#039;t heard of Digital Journal... I was accepted as a writer there a few days ago and if your writing is good, you can get paid for submitting articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented on this same article and posted an article on Dawkins at Digital Journal that you might be interested in.  The article can be found at: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/210063/The_Dawkins_Defeat" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/210063/The_Dawkins_Defeat</a></p>
<p>FYI &#8211; If you haven&#8217;t heard of Digital Journal&#8230; I was accepted as a writer there a few days ago and if your writing is good, you can get paid for submitting articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For the atheists looking for a non confrontational symbol, the Arlington Cemetery does acknowledge an authorized faith emblem for atheists. I’m not sure the history behind it, but it looks like it might be what you’re after.&lt;/blockquote&gt; My first impression of that symbol was, &quot;I&#039;m an atheist, I don&#039;t work for NASA!&quot; Seriously, if I saw that on someone&#039;s car (or grave) I would assume they were an astronaut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For the atheists looking for a non confrontational symbol, the Arlington Cemetery does acknowledge an authorized faith emblem for atheists. I’m not sure the history behind it, but it looks like it might be what you’re after.</p></blockquote>
<p> My first impression of that symbol was, &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist, I don&#8217;t work for NASA!&#8221; Seriously, if I saw that on someone&#8217;s car (or grave) I would assume they were an astronaut.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David and EnoNomi, 
I&#039;ve been thinking about your comments off and on all day.  I can understand your wishing you could assert yourself and express your viewpoint as freely as Christians and other religious people do with their crosses and other symbols around their necks, and your desire to be more declarative of the many things that you are, including your atheism.  Wanting that to be affirmative rather than mocking others is also very laudable.

My first reaction is to offer a gentle word of caution.  Human beings have a powerful tendency toward superstition.  Since we lived on the African savannas we have found interesting objects and have become fond of them, attached to them, and finally convinced that they posess special powers.  That curled boar&#039;s tusk the hominid wore around his neck.  Did it just look cool, or did it somehow help him catch that antelope?  Better keep it just in case.  Again and again our tendency to link objects with events has grown into elaborate superstitions and religions replete with magical objects.

When people free themselves from religious beliefs they sometimes miss the things that went with their religion, like the reassuring familiarity of rituals, the special clothes, the companionship of fellow believers and the emblems of belonging to something bigger than themselves.  Being able to wear a symbol of belonging to a cohesive group carries a power and a confidence that can be sorely missed when we divest ourselves of the foundation beliefs.

The problem lies in that we can become fond of these emblems, attached to them, and very subtly start to attribute special qualities to them as our ancestors did with the boar&#039;s tusk.  Such attachment to things brings on problems because they get lost or stolen, they break, they let us down when their special qualities don&#039;t work, or when the group that they symbolize is revealed to be made up of people, who because they&#039;re human can let us down too.  

Please don&#039;t take offense as if I&#039;m suggesting that you&#039;re superstitious and silly.  I&#039;m not.  Express yourselves with confidence and gusto, but be mindful of any attaching little bits of magical thinking to the emblem in the way we all are very capable of doing.

The wearing of an emblem that eventually becomes recognized by the public as saying &quot;I&#039;m an atheist&quot; may interfere in your meeting and befriending people who shy away from such a connotation.  Not getting to know you first, they won&#039;t have the chance to discover that you don&#039;t fit the negative stereotypes they may harbor about atheists.  Of course it could also help you find others of a similar mindset, and so could also help you find friends.  It&#039;s probably a trade-off as so much in life is, but you should be aware of how it works both positively and negatively in your life. 

One other caution is simply that there are many places in this &quot;tolerant&quot; country where it is definitely not safe to express atheist views.  You can get yourself some very unwelcome attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and EnoNomi,<br />
I&#8217;ve been thinking about your comments off and on all day.  I can understand your wishing you could assert yourself and express your viewpoint as freely as Christians and other religious people do with their crosses and other symbols around their necks, and your desire to be more declarative of the many things that you are, including your atheism.  Wanting that to be affirmative rather than mocking others is also very laudable.</p>
<p>My first reaction is to offer a gentle word of caution.  Human beings have a powerful tendency toward superstition.  Since we lived on the African savannas we have found interesting objects and have become fond of them, attached to them, and finally convinced that they posess special powers.  That curled boar&#8217;s tusk the hominid wore around his neck.  Did it just look cool, or did it somehow help him catch that antelope?  Better keep it just in case.  Again and again our tendency to link objects with events has grown into elaborate superstitions and religions replete with magical objects.</p>
<p>When people free themselves from religious beliefs they sometimes miss the things that went with their religion, like the reassuring familiarity of rituals, the special clothes, the companionship of fellow believers and the emblems of belonging to something bigger than themselves.  Being able to wear a symbol of belonging to a cohesive group carries a power and a confidence that can be sorely missed when we divest ourselves of the foundation beliefs.</p>
<p>The problem lies in that we can become fond of these emblems, attached to them, and very subtly start to attribute special qualities to them as our ancestors did with the boar&#8217;s tusk.  Such attachment to things brings on problems because they get lost or stolen, they break, they let us down when their special qualities don&#8217;t work, or when the group that they symbolize is revealed to be made up of people, who because they&#8217;re human can let us down too.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take offense as if I&#8217;m suggesting that you&#8217;re superstitious and silly.  I&#8217;m not.  Express yourselves with confidence and gusto, but be mindful of any attaching little bits of magical thinking to the emblem in the way we all are very capable of doing.</p>
<p>The wearing of an emblem that eventually becomes recognized by the public as saying &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist&#8221; may interfere in your meeting and befriending people who shy away from such a connotation.  Not getting to know you first, they won&#8217;t have the chance to discover that you don&#8217;t fit the negative stereotypes they may harbor about atheists.  Of course it could also help you find others of a similar mindset, and so could also help you find friends.  It&#8217;s probably a trade-off as so much in life is, but you should be aware of how it works both positively and negatively in your life. </p>
<p>One other caution is simply that there are many places in this &#8220;tolerant&#8221; country where it is definitely not safe to express atheist views.  You can get yourself some very unwelcome attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the atheists looking for a non confrontational symbol, the Arlington Cemetery does acknowledge an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/authorized_emblems.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;authorized faith emblem&lt;/a&gt; for atheists. I&#039;m not sure the history behind it, but it looks like it might be what you&#039;re after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the atheists looking for a non confrontational symbol, the Arlington Cemetery does acknowledge an <a href="http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/authorized_emblems.html" rel="nofollow">authorized faith emblem</a> for atheists. I&#8217;m not sure the history behind it, but it looks like it might be what you&#8217;re after.</p>
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		<title>By: EnoNomi</title>
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		<dc:creator>EnoNomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David brings up the point that first came to my mind.  When I was an Xtian I would wear a cross and had a fish on my car (with a &quot;Straight but not Narrow bumper sticker next to it, so I wasn&#039;t totally lost).  Now, there is no symbol to represent atheism like a rainbow or pink triangle.  I suppose the closest thing would be to have a Darwin or FSM on the back of my car, but I&#039;d love to find something akin to wearing a cross that isn&#039;t confrontational but simply states &quot;this is who I am&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David brings up the point that first came to my mind.  When I was an Xtian I would wear a cross and had a fish on my car (with a &#8220;Straight but not Narrow bumper sticker next to it, so I wasn&#8217;t totally lost).  Now, there is no symbol to represent atheism like a rainbow or pink triangle.  I suppose the closest thing would be to have a Darwin or FSM on the back of my car, but I&#8217;d love to find something akin to wearing a cross that isn&#8217;t confrontational but simply states &#8220;this is who I am&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great issue to bring up, Hemant.  I&#039;ve been struggling with this myself.  Like Tim D, I celebrate diversity, including letting the religious hold their views however wrong I think they are.  The idea that we&#039;ll convert everyone to a particular religion is near impossible and arguably not desirable.  The idea that we could live in a society where people like Amy wouldn&#039;t have to worry about their jobs or other ostracization because of their atheism is attainable and definitely desirable.  

There&#039;s one other step that I&#039;d really like to see, that I haven&#039;t figured out for myself yet, but I&#039;m working on: I want a good way to express my &quot;faith&quot; openly and with pride, but in a way that does not come across as an attack on other religions.  I see people with crosses, stars of David, ?ij?bs, etc., all the time.  And, although it&#039;s safe to assume that the bearers of these icons think that the bearers of the others are heretics, the icons mean something besides &quot;other people are wrong&quot;.  Most atheist iconography (eg Darwin &quot;fish&quot;) seems to directly mock other people&#039;s faith.  While mocking religions can be fun and healthy for us atheists, I&#039;d like more ways to celebrate our guiding beliefs free of mockery and belittlement...  Sadly, I&#039;m not seeing anything like this from the &quot;New Atheists&quot;, but I admit that I&#039;ve not read anywhere near all of the books that have come out in the past couple years.  If people know of things like this, I&#039;d appreciate leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great issue to bring up, Hemant.  I&#8217;ve been struggling with this myself.  Like Tim D, I celebrate diversity, including letting the religious hold their views however wrong I think they are.  The idea that we&#8217;ll convert everyone to a particular religion is near impossible and arguably not desirable.  The idea that we could live in a society where people like Amy wouldn&#8217;t have to worry about their jobs or other ostracization because of their atheism is attainable and definitely desirable.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s one other step that I&#8217;d really like to see, that I haven&#8217;t figured out for myself yet, but I&#8217;m working on: I want a good way to express my &#8220;faith&#8221; openly and with pride, but in a way that does not come across as an attack on other religions.  I see people with crosses, stars of David, ?ij?bs, etc., all the time.  And, although it&#8217;s safe to assume that the bearers of these icons think that the bearers of the others are heretics, the icons mean something besides &#8220;other people are wrong&#8221;.  Most atheist iconography (eg Darwin &#8220;fish&#8221;) seems to directly mock other people&#8217;s faith.  While mocking religions can be fun and healthy for us atheists, I&#8217;d like more ways to celebrate our guiding beliefs free of mockery and belittlement&#8230;  Sadly, I&#8217;m not seeing anything like this from the &#8220;New Atheists&#8221;, but I admit that I&#8217;ve not read anywhere near all of the books that have come out in the past couple years.  If people know of things like this, I&#8217;d appreciate leads.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a North Carolina perspective, I would be much more willing to &#039;come out&#039; if I didn&#039;t feel like it would put my job in jeopardy. I have a family to support and they have to come first. 

I hope soon to work for an employer who is not so in(Catholic)tolerant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a North Carolina perspective, I would be much more willing to &#8216;come out&#8217; if I didn&#8217;t feel like it would put my job in jeopardy. I have a family to support and they have to come first. </p>
<p>I hope soon to work for an employer who is not so in(Catholic)tolerant.</p>
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