Comments on: Bye Clark… http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/ Atheism with Positivity Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:24:00 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: monkeymind http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-35331 monkeymind Wed, 30 May 2007 04:28:59 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-35331 <blockquote>Is the appeal of being a beleaguered minority so great that people become proud of their unwillingness to show actual love?</blockquote> I found this comment very insightful. My condolences.

Is the appeal of being a beleaguered minority so great that people become proud of their unwillingness to show actual love?

I found this comment very insightful.

My condolences.

]]> By: Eric Pepke http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-35323 Eric Pepke Wed, 30 May 2007 03:39:40 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-35323 I'm not sure why I didn't write a comment previously. First of all, it was impossible to know Clark and not love him. He was that kind of guy. A lot of people are saying that they never met him. Well, if you didn't meet him, you met people he knew. You met people he worked tirelessly to bring together. You've read books by such people, which books would never have happened were it not for Clark. You've seen their television shows. It was inevitable that his death be used for proselytizing. I'm not going to be angry at that, especially as it seems to be coming from a vocal minority. I do have to wonder at the motivation. I respect people's right to believe, and there are many fine things in the New Testament. It's fairly obvious that it is too early for closure and analysis; it is time now for grief and remembrance and all the things it implies, including a bit of anger. To jump in and try to use this event at this point is not only incredibly vile and ghoulish; it is stupid as well, because anyone with two neurons to rub together can figure out that such behavioral displays will only harden people's hearts against theists. Is that the purpose? Is the appeal of being a beleaguered minority so great that people become proud of their unwillingness to show actual love? I'll forget about that for now, though. I plan to be at the Lake Hypatia do this fourth of July. I've changed my talk. It's going to be about how to be happy pretty much of the time. I’m not sure why I didn’t write a comment previously.

First of all, it was impossible to know Clark and not love him. He was that kind of guy.

A lot of people are saying that they never met him. Well, if you didn’t meet him, you met people he knew. You met people he worked tirelessly to bring together. You’ve read books by such people, which books would never have happened were it not for Clark. You’ve seen their television shows.

It was inevitable that his death be used for proselytizing. I’m not going to be angry at that, especially as it seems to be coming from a vocal minority. I do have to wonder at the motivation. I respect people’s right to believe, and there are many fine things in the New Testament. It’s fairly obvious that it is too early for closure and analysis; it is time now for grief and remembrance and all the things it implies, including a bit of anger. To jump in and try to use this event at this point is not only incredibly vile and ghoulish; it is stupid as well, because anyone with two neurons to rub together can figure out that such behavioral displays will only harden people’s hearts against theists. Is that the purpose? Is the appeal of being a beleaguered minority so great that people become proud of their unwillingness to show actual love?

I’ll forget about that for now, though. I plan to be at the Lake Hypatia do this fourth of July. I’ve changed my talk. It’s going to be about how to be happy pretty much of the time.

]]> By: Judy Doolittle http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33827 Judy Doolittle Sun, 27 May 2007 13:07:18 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33827 I appreciate everyone's kind words. To all the Christians out there, trying to condemn Clark for what he did. Sorry...I don't condemn Clark for this action in a Christian sense. No amount of preaching will convince me, either, in any supernatural being. I am very content with my Atheism, being a woman of science and fact, but I want to assure the rest of you, it does not bother me. I will not spar with any of them, nor will I bother to try and convince them that we, the freethinkers of the world, are the correct ones. I guess time will tell...and besides, if there really IS a god, heaven, and hell, we are sure to have much better rock concerts. Clark...enjoy the music honey. You deserved it!. Okay, so much for the bit of levity. I am doing much better today. I am still mad as well for what he did, have been creating and analyzing questions that have no answers...but I woke up this morning thinking that, instead of being pissed for the way he took his life, I am thankful that, if that was his chosen method, he at least did it neatly and cleanly, without any doubt from any official, necessitating any delay in closing the case. At least, if he was inconsiderate enough to kill himself and rob the world of his beautiful mind, I am now content that he did it the best way he researched, to cause the least amount of pain and suffering for himself and for us. Thanks again for those who have posted the nice thoughts. Judy I appreciate everyone’s kind words. To all the Christians out there, trying to condemn Clark for what he did. Sorry…I don’t condemn Clark for this action in a Christian sense. No amount of preaching will convince me, either, in any supernatural being. I am very content with my Atheism, being a woman of science and fact, but I want to assure the rest of you, it does not bother me. I will not spar with any of them, nor will I bother to try and convince them that we, the freethinkers of the world, are the correct ones. I guess time will tell…and besides, if there really IS a god, heaven, and hell, we are sure to have much better rock concerts. Clark…enjoy the music honey. You deserved it!.
Okay, so much for the bit of levity. I am doing much better today. I am still mad as well for what he did, have been creating and analyzing questions that have no answers…but I woke up this morning thinking that, instead of being pissed for the way he took his life, I am thankful that, if that was his chosen method, he at least did it neatly and cleanly, without any doubt from any official, necessitating any delay in closing the case. At least, if he was inconsiderate enough to kill himself and rob the world of his beautiful mind, I am now content that he did it the best way he researched, to cause the least amount of pain and suffering for himself and for us.
Thanks again for those who have posted the nice thoughts.
Judy

]]> By: diana http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33567 diana Sun, 27 May 2007 01:24:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33567 Judy, My deepest condolences. Dan: You are so boring. Judy,

My deepest condolences.

Dan:

You are so boring.

]]> By: Darryl http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33552 Darryl Sun, 27 May 2007 00:54:12 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33552 Dan, if God is so all fired in a tizzy to get my soul into Heaven and save me from frying in Hell, then why isn't He trying to convince me Himself? Why is He silent? And why would He ever send a messenger like you to do His talking for Him? You're the best He's got? He's risking all our souls gambling on your abilities to win friends and influence people? Maybe you're not speaking for Him at all. Maybe His silence means something--perhaps He doesn't care for badgering and bullying people. Maybe He thinks a silent witness is the best way to go. If you are really "for Him," then why don't you act like Him and shut up? Dan, if God is so all fired in a tizzy to get my soul into Heaven and save me from frying in Hell, then why isn’t He trying to convince me Himself? Why is He silent? And why would He ever send a messenger like you to do His talking for Him? You’re the best He’s got? He’s risking all our souls gambling on your abilities to win friends and influence people? Maybe you’re not speaking for Him at all. Maybe His silence means something–perhaps He doesn’t care for badgering and bullying people. Maybe He thinks a silent witness is the best way to go. If you are really “for Him,” then why don’t you act like Him and shut up?

]]> By: Eliza http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33542 Eliza Sun, 27 May 2007 00:28:53 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33542 My condolences to Clark's family & friends, his partner Judy, and those who met & liked him. I never met him, but he clearly touched many people. My condolences to Clark’s family & friends, his partner Judy, and those who met & liked him. I never met him, but he clearly touched many people.

]]> By: Karen http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33528 Karen Sat, 26 May 2007 23:29:32 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33528 <blockquote>Karen, thanks for responding about MTran. I”m not often the worried mother hen but he once alluded to serious health issues that sometimes prohibit him from participating online.</blockquote> Yes, I remember that also. <blockquote> It has occurred to me that if something happened to the less well known of us, the rest of us would never know why we disappeared. I have become attached to several people on this website.</blockquote> It's good of you to care, Richard. One thing I think about is that sometimes (not always!) atheists may be less connected to others in their local area because they don't have a "faith community" (church, synagogue, mosque) they belong to. Looking out for each other in a virtual sense is a positive thing we can do.

Karen, thanks for responding about MTran. I”m not often the worried mother hen but he once alluded to serious health issues that sometimes prohibit him from participating online.

Yes, I remember that also.

It has occurred to me that if something happened to the less well known of us, the rest of us would never know why we disappeared. I have become attached to several people on this website.

It’s good of you to care, Richard. One thing I think about is that sometimes (not always!) atheists may be less connected to others in their local area because they don’t have a “faith community” (church, synagogue, mosque) they belong to. Looking out for each other in a virtual sense is a positive thing we can do.

]]> By: Richard Wade http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33490 Richard Wade Sat, 26 May 2007 21:31:29 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33490 I am getting really, really sick of this asshole. I am getting really, really sick of this asshole.

]]> By: Dan http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33467 Dan Sat, 26 May 2007 20:43:15 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33467 Martin Luther King Jr. said “Christians should not be thermometers that merely record and reflect the temperature of popular opinion. Christians should be like thermostats, responsible for transforming and setting the temperature or standards of society.” God is teaching me all things when I continue my walk in life (1 john 2:27) I am very humble and grateful that I was chosen and I want to tell every one of you that I found something wonderful. Without repentance and Jesus forgiveness of all your sinning, then you will perish. I will shout that from every mountain top until we are all saved. You see it takes far more love to confront then to ignore the situation; perfect love is a constant confronter. Acceptance and conformity are not Christian priorities. (Romans 12:2) For Him, Dan Martin Luther King Jr. said “Christians should not be thermometers that merely record and reflect the temperature of popular opinion. Christians should be like thermostats, responsible for transforming and setting the temperature or standards of society.”

God is teaching me all things when I continue my walk in life (1 john 2:27) I am very humble and grateful that I was chosen and I want to tell every one of you that I found something wonderful. Without repentance and Jesus forgiveness of all your sinning, then you will perish. I will shout that from every mountain top until we are all saved.

You see it takes far more love to confront then to ignore the situation; perfect love is a constant confronter. Acceptance and conformity are not Christian priorities. (Romans 12:2)

For Him,
Dan

]]> By: Dan http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/comment-page-2/#comment-33466 Dan Sat, 26 May 2007 20:43:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/23/bye-clark/#comment-33466 Martin Luther King Jr. said “Christians should not be thermometers that merely record and reflect the temperature of popular opinion. Christians should be like thermostats, responsible for transforming and setting the temperature or standards of society.” God is teaching me all things when I continue my walk in life (1 john 2:27) I am very humble and grateful that I was chosen and I want to tell every one of you that I found something wonderful. Without repentance and Jesus forgiveness of all your sinning, then you will perish. I will shout that from every mountain top until we are all saved. You see it takes far more love to confront then to ignore the situation; perfect love is a constant confronter. Acceptance and conformity are not Christian priorities. (Romans 12:2) For Him, Dan Martin Luther King Jr. said “Christians should not be thermometers that merely record and reflect the temperature of popular opinion. Christians should be like thermostats, responsible for transforming and setting the temperature or standards of society.”

God is teaching me all things when I continue my walk in life (1 john 2:27) I am very humble and grateful that I was chosen and I want to tell every one of you that I found something wonderful. Without repentance and Jesus forgiveness of all your sinning, then you will perish. I will shout that from every mountain top until we are all saved.

You see it takes far more love to confront then to ignore the situation; perfect love is a constant confronter. Acceptance and conformity are not Christian priorities. (Romans 12:2)

For Him,
Dan

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