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		<title>By: Friendly Atheist &#187; Spread of the Article</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-27742</link>
		<dc:creator>Friendly Atheist &#187; Spread of the Article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Christian Science Monitor article from a few days ago was apparently picked up by Yahoo! news. I went out early last night, went straight to bed when I came home, and woke up this morning to find 9023423409 emails from people who had various things to say. Let&#8217;s go through the comments&#8230;  I can send you proof of God&#8230; Do you have a mailing address&#8230;? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Christian Science Monitor article from a few days ago was apparently picked up by Yahoo! news. I went out early last night, went straight to bed when I came home, and woke up this morning to find 9023423409 emails from people who had various things to say. Let&#8217;s go through the comments&#8230;  I can send you proof of God&#8230; Do you have a mailing address&#8230;? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-27483</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 22:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you will burn in HELL faggot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you will burn in HELL faggot</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26926</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;True we’re not going to convert without them bringing the evidence, but if they no longer act like self-absorbed pushy morons, then we’ll probably stop being militant. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t fully agree with that.  Sure, a committed atheist is more likely to be resistant barring some kind of evidence...

But I rather think that most people choose the religion that is made up of the people that they most admire.

An atheist, if they are what I&#039;d call a skeptic rather than a mere non-adherant, has come to that point in their life where what matters most to them is empricism.  They&#039;ve come to that point in their life by following role models, reading certain books, taking to heart certain thinkers.  The priorities are a function of their environment and what they&#039;ve been exposed to.

I Guarantee you that if the ONLY exposure someone had had to Christians is high-pressure salesmen jerks, nobody would become Christians.  Ditto atheists.

But if Christians are the nicest, friendliest, genuinely cool, caring, smart, funny, passionate, dynamic people you know... that will shape what you think is important, and you&#039;re much more likely to be a Christian too.

If most of the people you admire are Christians, chances are very, very good that you&#039;ll also be a Christian.

This is where I see Jim Henderson&#039;s form of evangelism appealing and very likely to bring far, far more people to Christ than the high-pressure sales tack.  It seeks to find people where they are at, and have a RELATIONSHIP with them that doesn&#039;t begin and end at conversion.

I value my friendship with Jim, and I have to say he&#039;s probably the Christian I most admire in the world.  Better than that, he&#039;s on my list of the people I most admire in the world.

I don&#039;t &quot;believe&quot; in the supernatural at all, but I wholeheartedly believe in Jim&#039;s style and gift of communication and humility and charity of spirit.

I really hope that God &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; exist, because I want it for him.  More than anything else, I want him to be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>True we’re not going to convert without them bringing the evidence, but if they no longer act like self-absorbed pushy morons, then we’ll probably stop being militant. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t fully agree with that.  Sure, a committed atheist is more likely to be resistant barring some kind of evidence&#8230;</p>
<p>But I rather think that most people choose the religion that is made up of the people that they most admire.</p>
<p>An atheist, if they are what I&#8217;d call a skeptic rather than a mere non-adherant, has come to that point in their life where what matters most to them is empricism.  They&#8217;ve come to that point in their life by following role models, reading certain books, taking to heart certain thinkers.  The priorities are a function of their environment and what they&#8217;ve been exposed to.</p>
<p>I Guarantee you that if the ONLY exposure someone had had to Christians is high-pressure salesmen jerks, nobody would become Christians.  Ditto atheists.</p>
<p>But if Christians are the nicest, friendliest, genuinely cool, caring, smart, funny, passionate, dynamic people you know&#8230; that will shape what you think is important, and you&#8217;re much more likely to be a Christian too.</p>
<p>If most of the people you admire are Christians, chances are very, very good that you&#8217;ll also be a Christian.</p>
<p>This is where I see Jim Henderson&#8217;s form of evangelism appealing and very likely to bring far, far more people to Christ than the high-pressure sales tack.  It seeks to find people where they are at, and have a RELATIONSHIP with them that doesn&#8217;t begin and end at conversion.</p>
<p>I value my friendship with Jim, and I have to say he&#8217;s probably the Christian I most admire in the world.  Better than that, he&#8217;s on my list of the people I most admire in the world.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t &#8220;believe&#8221; in the supernatural at all, but I wholeheartedly believe in Jim&#8217;s style and gift of communication and humility and charity of spirit.</p>
<p>I really hope that God <em>does</em> exist, because I want it for him.  More than anything else, I want him to be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wyman</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26922</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 23:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Hemant,

decreepyfication?  Wow nice word, and I agree we can be creepy.  How is it that both sides have creeped each other out so deeply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Hemant,</p>
<p>decreepyfication?  Wow nice word, and I agree we can be creepy.  How is it that both sides have creeped each other out so deeply?</p>
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		<title>By: writerdd</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26564</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 20:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This church marketing thing started somewhere around the early 1980s. Before that churches were more into &quot;outreach&quot; but when the prosperity doctrine that was part of a small offshoot got adopted (even while being condemned) by the larger evangelical churches, then they started this marketing tactic because it contributes to the bottom line. Jesus would definitely throw these money changers out of the temple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This church marketing thing started somewhere around the early 1980s. Before that churches were more into &#8220;outreach&#8221; but when the prosperity doctrine that was part of a small offshoot got adopted (even while being condemned) by the larger evangelical churches, then they started this marketing tactic because it contributes to the bottom line. Jesus would definitely throw these money changers out of the temple.</p>
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		<title>By: chatterbox</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26542</link>
		<dc:creator>chatterbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 18:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King Aardvark, I love your comment.  Primarily because it applies to both sides.  If everyone stopped being militant self-absorbed pushy morons then the whole world would be a better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King Aardvark, I love your comment.  Primarily because it applies to both sides.  If everyone stopped being militant self-absorbed pushy morons then the whole world would be a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: King Aardvark</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26471</link>
		<dc:creator>King Aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True we&#039;re not going to convert without them bringing the evidence, but if they no longer act like self-absorbed pushy morons, then we&#039;ll probably stop being militant.  It&#039;s more about acceptance than changing people&#039;s minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True we&#8217;re not going to convert without them bringing the evidence, but if they no longer act like self-absorbed pushy morons, then we&#8217;ll probably stop being militant.  It&#8217;s more about acceptance than changing people&#8217;s minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/09/a-calmer-dialogue/comment-page-1/#comment-26417</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 05:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Some Christians, concerned that millions of Americans never cross the threshold of a church, want to understand why, as well as learn what it is in evangelistic efforts that turns people off.&lt;/i&gt;

So, it isn&#039;t really about truth but rather about marketing???  Most atheists I know aren&#039;t your typical mindless consumer.  They demand good solid evidence before they are going to change their beliefs.  It isn&#039;t anything particular about evangelistic efforts that keep people from believing in a god.  They could offer free food and all the beer you can drink at church and most atheists are still not going to convert.  The problem is not in the way their message it delivered, it&#039;s the message itself.  And when you&#039;re dealing with a group of people who take great pride in their intellectual honesty in pursuit of reality, it&#039;s going to take a lot more than a friendly smile to convince them to believe something that isn&#039;t even close to being self-evident.

You want to know how to market your product better?  Try producing solid evidence to back up your claims.  But I suppose when you can&#039;t do that then your only alternative is to try and convince people they need you anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Some Christians, concerned that millions of Americans never cross the threshold of a church, want to understand why, as well as learn what it is in evangelistic efforts that turns people off.</i></p>
<p>So, it isn&#8217;t really about truth but rather about marketing???  Most atheists I know aren&#8217;t your typical mindless consumer.  They demand good solid evidence before they are going to change their beliefs.  It isn&#8217;t anything particular about evangelistic efforts that keep people from believing in a god.  They could offer free food and all the beer you can drink at church and most atheists are still not going to convert.  The problem is not in the way their message it delivered, it&#8217;s the message itself.  And when you&#8217;re dealing with a group of people who take great pride in their intellectual honesty in pursuit of reality, it&#8217;s going to take a lot more than a friendly smile to convince them to believe something that isn&#8217;t even close to being self-evident.</p>
<p>You want to know how to market your product better?  Try producing solid evidence to back up your claims.  But I suppose when you can&#8217;t do that then your only alternative is to try and convince people they need you anyway.</p>
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