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	<title>Comments on: Ray Comfort&#8217;s Email to his Fans</title>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/08/ray-comforts-email-to-his-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-26968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 03:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, I&#039;m afraid you are talking to someone much like others who drop in here- they accept only what is told to them by their church without question and nothing more.  I doubt s/he will take the time to study scholarly works.  I&#039;ll be really surprised if they do.  One of the advantages of Free Inquiry is that we are free to inquire into anything we have questions about, but some churches do not allow for free inquiry and only allow their people to learn what they feel is best for them to learn and does not go against their church&#039;s doctrine.  Sad but true.  To be truly educated is to be liberated and so many denominations fear this liberation will cause them to lose control of their people and they will no longer be a loyal follower of that denomination or any religious demonination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, I&#8217;m afraid you are talking to someone much like others who drop in here- they accept only what is told to them by their church without question and nothing more.  I doubt s/he will take the time to study scholarly works.  I&#8217;ll be really surprised if they do.  One of the advantages of Free Inquiry is that we are free to inquire into anything we have questions about, but some churches do not allow for free inquiry and only allow their people to learn what they feel is best for them to learn and does not go against their church&#8217;s doctrine.  Sad but true.  To be truly educated is to be liberated and so many denominations fear this liberation will cause them to lose control of their people and they will no longer be a loyal follower of that denomination or any religious demonination.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/08/ray-comforts-email-to-his-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-26959</link>
		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 02:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheff,

Go back and read my previous post--carefully.  Then, think.  

As I said, I&#039;m not going to do your homework for you.  If you want to learn, the first step is to question your own assumptions and conclusions.  This requires an unsparing critique of ideas that you have adopted.  Such a critique is not had by going to sources that agree with you and getting more ammo for your arguments; just the opposite.  Go study evolution as scientists teach it (NOT &lt;em&gt;creation scientists&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;I.D. scientists&lt;/em&gt;, but your average evolutionary scientist).  I mean really study it--no cliff notes; no evolution for dummies.  Then come back and discuss these matters intelligently.

If you&#039;re sure you have the truth, then such an inquiry poses no threat to your beliefs; in fact, it should only confirm your beliefs and provide you with more evidence by which to defeat the atheists.  

Are you brave enough for this challenge?  It takes spunk to do it--do you have what it takes?  We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheff,</p>
<p>Go back and read my previous post&#8211;carefully.  Then, think.  </p>
<p>As I said, I&#8217;m not going to do your homework for you.  If you want to learn, the first step is to question your own assumptions and conclusions.  This requires an unsparing critique of ideas that you have adopted.  Such a critique is not had by going to sources that agree with you and getting more ammo for your arguments; just the opposite.  Go study evolution as scientists teach it (NOT <em>creation scientists</em> or <em>I.D. scientists</em>, but your average evolutionary scientist).  I mean really study it&#8211;no cliff notes; no evolution for dummies.  Then come back and discuss these matters intelligently.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re sure you have the truth, then such an inquiry poses no threat to your beliefs; in fact, it should only confirm your beliefs and provide you with more evidence by which to defeat the atheists.  </p>
<p>Are you brave enough for this challenge?  It takes spunk to do it&#8211;do you have what it takes?  We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
		<link>http://friendlyatheist.com/2007/05/08/ray-comforts-email-to-his-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-26944</link>
		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 01:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Are you saying that evolution is 100% provable?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  To everyone with an open mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Are you saying that evolution is 100% provable?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  To everyone with an open mind.</p>
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		<title>By: sheff</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 00:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl,

  Are you saying that evolution is 100% provable?  You say that I am just like every other apologetic Christian out there, but I want to know where the 100% undeniable proof for Evolution is?  If you cannot prove it, than like I said, you are walking in faith with Evolution as I am walking in faith with Jesus.

  Let me also add, that I never once stated that I could prove that the Bible was 100% proven, but I was merely making the point that it&#039;s followers believe in it through faith just as people believe in Evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl,</p>
<p>  Are you saying that evolution is 100% provable?  You say that I am just like every other apologetic Christian out there, but I want to know where the 100% undeniable proof for Evolution is?  If you cannot prove it, than like I said, you are walking in faith with Evolution as I am walking in faith with Jesus.</p>
<p>  Let me also add, that I never once stated that I could prove that the Bible was 100% proven, but I was merely making the point that it&#8217;s followers believe in it through faith just as people believe in Evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Domomojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domomojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, 

Thank you for calling me and the rest &quot;revolting&quot;. Were you there? I&#039;m not defending the &quot;cancer&quot; lady, as I said before she was just one person. I have met plenty of &quot;revolting&quot; Christians in my life. There are good and bad people in any demographic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, </p>
<p>Thank you for calling me and the rest &#8220;revolting&#8221;. Were you there? I&#8217;m not defending the &#8220;cancer&#8221; lady, as I said before she was just one person. I have met plenty of &#8220;revolting&#8221; Christians in my life. There are good and bad people in any demographic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 15:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At least for us Christians, we have hope, a hope that the atheists may never have unless they come to Jesus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh good god!  I feel really sorry for Hemant.  :(  These last few threads concerning this issue are shameful and arrogant, IMHO.  I seriously doubt any of this behaviour is going to win Hemant over to Christianity.  Look over other religious text, dear.  The Muslims belive Christians are infidels and are going to hell because they are not Islamic.  *rolling eyes*  The Christians believe everyone who is not Christian is going to hell.  I bet if you looked into other &quot;holy&quot; texts you will find similar thoughts.  Christianity is not the one and only path in life, nor is it necessarily the right path, but behaviours displayed here on Hemant&#039;s blog only serve to turn people off religion.

We have hope too.  Hope that we can help to make life better for others before we die.  I hope, before I die, people realize what they do with their religious beliefs are actually harmful to others.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At least for us Christians, we have hope, a hope that the atheists may never have unless they come to Jesus.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh good god!  I feel really sorry for Hemant.  <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   These last few threads concerning this issue are shameful and arrogant, IMHO.  I seriously doubt any of this behaviour is going to win Hemant over to Christianity.  Look over other religious text, dear.  The Muslims belive Christians are infidels and are going to hell because they are not Islamic.  *rolling eyes*  The Christians believe everyone who is not Christian is going to hell.  I bet if you looked into other &#8220;holy&#8221; texts you will find similar thoughts.  Christianity is not the one and only path in life, nor is it necessarily the right path, but behaviours displayed here on Hemant&#8217;s blog only serve to turn people off religion.</p>
<p>We have hope too.  Hope that we can help to make life better for others before we die.  I hope, before I die, people realize what they do with their religious beliefs are actually harmful to others.  <img src='http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 13:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings! Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the results of the debate. In the beginning, Comfort made many good points, but it seemed as though the atheists always ended with the last word. I felt Mr. Comfort and Mr. Cameron could have taken a better stand. Mr. Cameron was not the ideal Christian for the debate. He seemed to have a hard time answer questions. Someone like Chuck Missler would have been much better. I respect Mr. Cameron, don’t get me wrong. However, I don’t think he was the right man for the job.

One problem was that the debate was too short. I know there was one time when Mr. Comfort was going to make a point about the fallibility of radioactive dating. But the mediator/supervisor of the debate proceeded to another question before Comfort could make a argument.

In response to Mr. Domomojo, the atheists in the audience were very revolting, and very impatient, especially the “cancer” woman who insisted upon Comfort saying “cancer” rather than “suffering.” Cancer is suffering.

The female debater was very sarcastic, and the male debater would shake his head and get all flustered whenever Comfort made a good point. But you’ll notice, Comfort and Cameron were very relaxed and tolerant, and accepted their sardonic remarks civilly.

I think, and I’m sure Comfort would agree, that the atheists and Christians could have argued until they were blue in the face. It wouldn’t matter. People are still going to believe what they want to believe.

At least for us Christians, we have hope, a hope that the atheists may never have unless they come to Jesus.

Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings! Unfortunately, I was very disappointed with the results of the debate. In the beginning, Comfort made many good points, but it seemed as though the atheists always ended with the last word. I felt Mr. Comfort and Mr. Cameron could have taken a better stand. Mr. Cameron was not the ideal Christian for the debate. He seemed to have a hard time answer questions. Someone like Chuck Missler would have been much better. I respect Mr. Cameron, don’t get me wrong. However, I don’t think he was the right man for the job.</p>
<p>One problem was that the debate was too short. I know there was one time when Mr. Comfort was going to make a point about the fallibility of radioactive dating. But the mediator/supervisor of the debate proceeded to another question before Comfort could make a argument.</p>
<p>In response to Mr. Domomojo, the atheists in the audience were very revolting, and very impatient, especially the “cancer” woman who insisted upon Comfort saying “cancer” rather than “suffering.” Cancer is suffering.</p>
<p>The female debater was very sarcastic, and the male debater would shake his head and get all flustered whenever Comfort made a good point. But you’ll notice, Comfort and Cameron were very relaxed and tolerant, and accepted their sardonic remarks civilly.</p>
<p>I think, and I’m sure Comfort would agree, that the atheists and Christians could have argued until they were blue in the face. It wouldn’t matter. People are still going to believe what they want to believe.</p>
<p>At least for us Christians, we have hope, a hope that the atheists may never have unless they come to Jesus.</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 01:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Clerics remind me of show hosts trying to keep their audience entertained while the guest of honor fails to show up. He’s thousands of years late and folks are getting up to leave. This is why religious founders defined believing as the primary virtue, far more important than good behavior or good works. It keeps the flock coming back and staring at the statue that never moves. The more difficult it is to believe in something that perpetually eludes verification, the greater the “virtue” of their faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Marvelous, Richard.

Sheff,  you ought to pay more attention to atheist blogs because your arguments are some of the most commonplace fallacies among Christian apologists and the most widely and easily debunked by atheists.  I won&#039;t do your homework for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clerics remind me of show hosts trying to keep their audience entertained while the guest of honor fails to show up. He’s thousands of years late and folks are getting up to leave. This is why religious founders defined believing as the primary virtue, far more important than good behavior or good works. It keeps the flock coming back and staring at the statue that never moves. The more difficult it is to believe in something that perpetually eludes verification, the greater the “virtue” of their faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>Marvelous, Richard.</p>
<p>Sheff,  you ought to pay more attention to atheist blogs because your arguments are some of the most commonplace fallacies among Christian apologists and the most widely and easily debunked by atheists.  I won&#8217;t do your homework for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Domomojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Domomojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this in the RRS forums already:

I was in the audience during the taping. I have no idea what Comfort is talking about with his claim of &quot;angry atheist audience members.&quot; He&#039;s just pissed we clapped whenever Brian or Kelly made a good point. The only time we yelled was when Cameron started listing scientists who believed in God (specifically implying YAHWEH), and started with Einstein. Many of us shouted NO! By that point we were tired of all the lies Cameron and Comfort were making.

I was extremely frustrating to hear the list of straw men they trotted out regarding evolution. They are breaking their own commandment by bearing false witness! I am fed up with these hypocrites. Brian and Kelly might not have made a perfect presentation but at least they didn&#039;t LIE! 

And as for the one angry atheist lady, she was just one person out of 50. They cut out a lot of the bull crap Ray was saying which caused a lot of frustration. Keep in mind it was over 90 minutes long! Ray flat out lies, there was no &quot;mockery&quot; from the audience! He has a persecution complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this in the RRS forums already:</p>
<p>I was in the audience during the taping. I have no idea what Comfort is talking about with his claim of &#8220;angry atheist audience members.&#8221; He&#8217;s just pissed we clapped whenever Brian or Kelly made a good point. The only time we yelled was when Cameron started listing scientists who believed in God (specifically implying YAHWEH), and started with Einstein. Many of us shouted NO! By that point we were tired of all the lies Cameron and Comfort were making.</p>
<p>I was extremely frustrating to hear the list of straw men they trotted out regarding evolution. They are breaking their own commandment by bearing false witness! I am fed up with these hypocrites. Brian and Kelly might not have made a perfect presentation but at least they didn&#8217;t LIE! </p>
<p>And as for the one angry atheist lady, she was just one person out of 50. They cut out a lot of the bull crap Ray was saying which caused a lot of frustration. Keep in mind it was over 90 minutes long! Ray flat out lies, there was no &#8220;mockery&#8221; from the audience! He has a persecution complex.</p>
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		<title>By: sheff</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any atheist is an agnostic at best, because no atheist can prove that God does not exist...scientifically.  No atheist has 100% proof that God does not exist, but just believes that he doesn&#039;t, or is unsure of his existence.  As for Evolution, just like Christianity, it is also unproven, therefore, those who cling to it so dearly are merely are doing nothing more than following in &quot;faith&quot; that it is correct, just as Christians have &quot;faith&quot; that the Bible exists.  I don&#039;t understand the hostilities between the two, because as a Christian, I have no &quot;hate&quot; or &quot;dislike&quot; of an &quot;atheist&quot;, I just wish that I could help them see what I see.  It just feels like recently, there has been such an uproar among &quot;atheists&quot; to try and disprove what we believe.  Why is it those that believe that nothing exists after death try to get people who do to believe in &quot;nothing&quot;?  I saw some of the debate, and truthfully, I think the &quot;atheist&quot; audience members were quite rude, and at times would not let Ray make his points or finish his thought (especially the lady who spoke of Cancer).  I would not be proud of that debate if I were an &quot;atheist&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any atheist is an agnostic at best, because no atheist can prove that God does not exist&#8230;scientifically.  No atheist has 100% proof that God does not exist, but just believes that he doesn&#8217;t, or is unsure of his existence.  As for Evolution, just like Christianity, it is also unproven, therefore, those who cling to it so dearly are merely are doing nothing more than following in &#8220;faith&#8221; that it is correct, just as Christians have &#8220;faith&#8221; that the Bible exists.  I don&#8217;t understand the hostilities between the two, because as a Christian, I have no &#8220;hate&#8221; or &#8220;dislike&#8221; of an &#8220;atheist&#8221;, I just wish that I could help them see what I see.  It just feels like recently, there has been such an uproar among &#8220;atheists&#8221; to try and disprove what we believe.  Why is it those that believe that nothing exists after death try to get people who do to believe in &#8220;nothing&#8221;?  I saw some of the debate, and truthfully, I think the &#8220;atheist&#8221; audience members were quite rude, and at times would not let Ray make his points or finish his thought (especially the lady who spoke of Cancer).  I would not be proud of that debate if I were an &#8220;atheist&#8221;.</p>
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